[Dale Baldwin]

If it was an actual flame, Trep wouldn't have used a smiley.
Also, there is never an excuse for that kind of language on this forum.

[EvoG]

Is this guy for real? Holy shit...

[Jackal]

Okay, let's set aside the personal comments in either direction. PS3L's behaviour won't be tolerated, but we can't ask just him to stop. (I'm pretty sure exactly the same people are reading both threads, so I'll only say this once. )

Y'know, I watch these console threads with some fascination. Despite the accusations, for the most part there really aren't many blind fanboys here. Generally people seem to acknowledge the value in each system even if they favour one over another. So I never quite understand why there's such a need to determine a "best" based on some marginal technical issue, purely hypothetical projections, or something equally obscure. From all the arguments to date, here's what I get out of them. Someone correct me if I'm wrong:

PS3

Pretty awesome machine for the most part
Too bloody expensive for most people
Cool for people who want Blu-ray, lame for those who don't
Highest potential upside, but mainly in ways only technophiles would appreciate
PR blows major chunks
Sony kind of being rat bastards
Not as developer friendly, fewer exclusives (than PS2)
Projection: will be a solid system overall, and still sell boatloads over the life of the machine, particularly after price drops

Xbox360

Pretty awesome machine for the most part
Still too expensive for a lot of people, but less bloody
Good choice for people interested in HD-DVD; nothing imposed
Slightly less upside, but mainly in ways only technophiles would appreciate
PR manages to not shoot itself in the foot, although nothing special
Nothing overtly negative about Microsoft these days, but it's still Microsoft
More developer friendly, leveling playing field on exclusives
Projection: will be a solid system overall, and still sell boatloads over the life of the machine, particularly after price drops

Wii (even though not directly competing)

Pretty awesome machine for the most part
Most affordable for most people
Cool for people who want gameplay innovation
Lowest potential upside technically, but determined to win out with gameplay over graphics
PR pretty good, despite the name still sucking (sorry, couldn't resist. )
Nintendo playing the underdog role pretty well, so no one hates them now
Developer friendly, fair number of exclusives
Projection: will be a solid system overall, and still sell boatloads over the life of the machine, drawing in new markets and likely become the chosen second system for the hardcore.

I don't actually see much argument about these points, so really, tell me what I'm missing and why there's a winner and loser in the bunch.

[insane_cobra]

Apart from the fact that Wii is just one brutally awesome name, that's pretty spot-on.

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by Jackal

Okay, let's set aside the personal comments in either direction. PS3L's behaviour won't be tolerated, but we can't ask just him to stop. (I'm pretty sure exactly the same people are reading both threads, so I'll only say this once. )

Y'know, I watch these console threads with some fascination. Despite the accusations, for the most part there really aren't many blind fanboys here. Generally people seem to acknowledge the value in each system even if they favour one over another. So I never quite understand why there's such a need to determine a "best" based on some marginal technical issue, purely hypothetical projections, or something equally obscure. From all the arguments to date, here's what I get out of them. Someone correct me if I'm wrong:

PS3

Pretty awesome machine for the most part
Too bloody expensive for most people
Cool for people who want Blu-ray, lame for those who don't
Highest potential upside, but mainly in ways only technophiles would appreciate
PR blows major chunks
Sony kind of being rat bastards
Not as developer friendly, fewer exclusives (than PS2)
Projection: will be a solid system overall, and still sell boatloads over the life of the machine, particularly after price drops

Xbox360

Pretty awesome machine for the most part
Still too expensive for a lot of people, but less bloody
Good choice for people interested in HD-DVD; nothing imposed
Slightly less upside, but mainly in ways only technophiles would appreciate
PR manages to not shoot itself in the foot, although nothing special
Nothing overtly negative about Microsoft these days, but it's still Microsoft
More developer friendly, leveling playing field on exclusives
Projection: will be a solid system overall, and still sell boatloads over the life of the machine, particularly after price drops

Wii (even though not directly competing)

Pretty awesome machine for the most part
Most affordable for most people
Cool for people who want gameplay innovation
Lowest potential upside technically, but determined to win out with gameplay over graphics
PR pretty good, despite the name still sucking (sorry, couldn't resist. )
Nintendo playing the underdog role pretty well, so no one hates them now
Developer friendly, fair number of exclusives
Projection: will be a solid system overall, and still sell boatloads over the life of the machine, drawing in new markets and likely become the chosen second system for the hardcore.

I don't actually see much argument about these points, so really, tell me what I'm missing and why there's a winner and loser in the bunch.

I'm not sure why somebody would directly start a thread pitting the 360 vs. PS3, but I think that rundown difused the situation.

[Jackal]

Oh, heck no, it won't defuse anything. People who want to argue the details will keep doing it. I just find it interesting how much arguing happens when people mostly agree with each other!

[Eureka]

No they won't! You're wrong!

[Thello]

Originally Posted by Eureka

I'm not sure why somebody would directly start a thread pitting the 360 vs. PS3, but I think that rundown difused the situation.

(Shitty Gamefaqs posters leaking out elsewhere)

That's pretty much the only explanation. CONSOLE VS CONSOLE RARGH threads are retarded.

[Ps3Lover]

There are too much "fanboys". thats for sure.
Like eureka and others.
im also a "fanboy", i admit !
And if someone is bashing the console with no good arguments, i will go in defense mode.
Same as Xbox360 "fanboys" does.
And if nobody likes me, or hate me. I don`t care. i stand for my own op
inion.And yes, sometimes i can be rude in some words. Again, sorry for those who feel attacked.

Also i want to stand out for the word "Fanboy". who in the hell created this word ?
Because im not going down on my knees or stand in line to get a PS3.
Or that im gonna die, if im not getting one.
Im just happy with sony as they are innovated with bringing entertainment to my house, all those years.
(guitar hero, Eye toy, Buzz, singtar) to name some.
So what is term "Fanboy" ?

EDIT: one more thing to add, as im reading many forums on this discussion. I really think Xbox360 owners are afraid that PS3 will overrule their console. They have paid for xbox360 and now there is some competition. So, what you gonna do ? well, defend your own console who`s sitting on you room. that ain`t bad. I don`t like BMW for example, my homie does, because he has one, so he is defending his BMW, telling you this and that. Every psychologist would agree with me.


EDIT2 : i know for sure, that some users on this forum hate my username. Only that alone brings up some argue.


EDIT3 : Here is an example on what i meant with EDIT1, fienepien has TLE, someone who doesnt have it crack it down. Fienepien is defending his game.You see, it also happens with games.
http://forums.adventuregamers.com/showthread.php?t=18395

[Solid Snake]

Originally Posted by Ps3Lover

im also a "fanboy", i admit !

You gotta be kidding.

[Ps3Lover]

Originally Posted by Solid Snake

You gotta be kidding.

pff, there we go again ... Solid Pig from outer heaven.

[Melanie68]

Stop this here, both of you.

[Jackal]

Originally Posted by Ps3Lover

There are too much "fanboys". thats for sure.

No there aren't. As I just said, most people here seem to acknowledge the value of each system, even if they argue details about why they prefer one over another. That is not the same as blind fanboyism.

If you're actually reading these posts properly, you'll see that most or all of them are based on proper arguments (some of which I outlined above), if somewhat trivial in the overall scheme of things.

[Ps3Lover]

I think you don`t understand me. like i said it in my other post, i don`t care of these things. As im not a hardcore gamer, im just testing how far you can go with such discussion.
One more time, i really don`t care which console is gonna win. I even don`t care if over 3 years a new system comes up .. i don`t care. Only what i do care is this, Many xbox gamers on this forum are bashing the Ps3, as if them Xbox is a god !
People really need to get open minded. i was posting in a PS3 thread, why are there Xbox lovers in there? if they can`t stand my opinion, don`t reply or read.Im not saying PS3 is the BEST ! im also not saying Xbox360 is the worst.
im really really done now here.

[Jackal]

You don't have to care to get your facts straight.

If you're done, great. Saves me from having to lock a now-pointless thread.

[bigjko]

Anyhow...

Jack, I love your list of Pros and Cons over each console. Especially the one point that's the same over each console, and really the only one that actually matters.

Pretty awesome machine for the most part.

You can't really argue about that, and all the other important stuff (games, price, etc.) happens to be dependant on taste. I've never been this enlightened about how meaningless it is to argue which console is the best.

[Jackal]

Yeah, that one and the "still sell boatloads over the life of the machine" part. Does anyone really believe that any of these will be dismal failures over time? Way too much attention is paid to how something does at launch, when the systems are top dollar, there's squat for game choice, and only the early adopters really care.

These companies all lose money on the consoles themselves, don't they? If they have to chop prices to move units, it's not really the end of the world. Eventually they'll sell and the games will come. Hell, I didn't buy a PS2 until last year. The PS3 will look a lot nicer to me at $300 with a ton of games out. I can wait.

[undeaf]

Originally Posted by bigjko

Jack, I love your list of Pros and Cons over each console. Especially the one point that's the same over each console, and really the only one that actually matters.

Pretty awesome machine for the most part.

You can't really argue about that

Typical consumerism.

[Lucien21]

Originally Posted by Jackal

These companies all lose money on the consoles themselves, don't they? If they have to chop prices to move units, it's not really the end of the world. Eventually they'll sell and the games will come. Hell, I didn't buy a PS2 until last year. The PS3 will look a lot nicer to me at $300 with a ton of games out. I can wait.

Except Nintendo.

It make a profit on every Wii sold.

[Intrepid Homoludens]

MotorStorm 720p, 30fps (not True HD) | Joystiq.com, 1/10/07

The 'True HD' concept is certainly off to a rocky start on Sony's console that could. Despite confirmation from SCEA senior VP of marketing Peter Dille that MotorStorm would rocket to the US at 60fps in glorious 1080p, Sony today rescinded that remark. MotorStorm, alas, will be presented in lowly 720p, chugging along at 30fps.

I distinctly remember Sony declaring 1080p to be true HD.