Please support Adventure Gamers on Patreon! announcement

2017 AG logo
2017 AG logo

Adventure Gamers started as a humble fan site in 1998, but it has since grown into one of the premier online magazines of its kind and the largest English-language website devoted to the adventure genre, with an audience of over 100,000 unique visitors every month. Having lasted 20 years already, we're now looking forward to what lies ahead, but if we’re to evolve, innovate, and continue to thrive in these challenging times for online magazines, we’re going to need your help. We don’t plan to reinvent the wheel, merely improve where we can and expand in exciting new ways, whether it’s providing extensive coverage in new formats like video, increasing the efficiency with which we can cover new game releases, or even exploring whether we can turn this into an actual physical magazine. 

There are lots of ways we know we can be better, but upgrading costs money we simply don’t have. Our website design is quite outdated, as is our forum software, and we're looking to provide options for readers to support us in our efforts to make Adventure Gamers a home for passionate genre fans that is going to be around for decades to come. Being privately funded unfortunately means that we are currently running at a loss each month, which limits our abilities in what we can deliver. Having an actual budget to work with will not only help us maintain daily operations but to keep forging ahead, allowing us to redesign the site, purchase proper video equipment for (regular) interviews, look into a mobile app, create a physical Aggies statuette, visit more industry events and much more. It's our dream to one day be able to work on Adventure Gamers full-time, instead of it being a side-project right now, largely driven by a team of passionate volunteers.

For these reasons, Adventure Gamers has decided to launch a Patreon crowdfunding page to encourage community support. Along with giving you the satisfaction of knowing that your pledge is making an important difference to the welfare of the site, we’ll provide a number of tangible benefits for making a monthly commitment, including exclusive behind-the-scenes access and even (at higher tiers) some great loot(!), which we're sure will make your AG experience even more rewarding.


What is Patreon?


Unlike other familiar fundraising alternatives, Patreon is designed to be an ongoing, subscription-based model (payable either through credit card or PayPal) that benefits both the recipient – that's us – and the patron – that's you. One-time donations are wonderful and welcome (and we'll get to that option shortly), but a monthly commitment offers the assurance of cost certainty, and we wouldn't need to keep coming back asking for more when those single donations run out (Wikipedia users know what we mean).

But hey, why keep explaining when we can let Patreon do it in style:


Patreon may not have the name recognition of Kickstarter, but it's a legitimate fund-sharing vehicle with a proven track record, so you can rest easy in the knowledge that your information is confidential, your donations secure.

We have various reward tiers to choose from, but ultimately the real "reward" here is ensuring that Adventure Gamers carries on delivering all the same great (and even better!) coverage you've come to expect. Without that community support, something's gotta give. You don't want that; we don't want that. So let's do something about it.

Should your financial circumstances change, you are free to cancel your subscription at any time, no strings attached. 


Is there an alternative to Patreon?


There is! Glad you asked.

For those who would prefer to make a one-time offering, we have set up a PayPal option through which you can contribute any amount, at any time. There are benefits to monthly subscriptions, which is why we'd prefer Patreon if possible, but we are no less grateful for single contributions. Every little (or not-so-little) bit helps! 

Outside of Patreon there is no formal mechanism for ensuring PayPal donors receive the same rewards as monthly patrons, but we will be glad to extend the same offer to backers who donate the equivalent of one year's subscription for any given reward tier. (You'll just need to let us know who you are at the time of your contribution.) 


I can't afford to donate. Is there any other way I can help?


Another great question! (Leave it to adventure gamers to work all the different angles to a problem.) And again, the answer is yes! There are two ways in particular:

1) Everybody hates ads. We get it. That's why an ad-free experience on AG is one of our first Patreon rewards. But they're a necessary evil for online magazines like Adventure Gamers. So if using an ad blocker, do please consider adding our site as an exception. We strive to make our ads as unobtrusive as possible, as we want to minimize anyone's inconvenience. (And if you see any that are particularly objectionable, do please tell us!)

2) Adventure Gamers has several affiliate relationships with online retailers, which means we get a (very) small percentage of each game sale originating from the site. We add new purchase links as soon as they become available, so when buying games from our partner stores, you're supporting us by using the links provided on AG. With just a couple extra mouse-clicks, you're helping us out! Better yet, just bookmark our general affiliate links to GOG.com and Humble Bundle and we'll get a commission from every game included in your subsequent order. It's win-win for everyone!


Why support Adventure Gamers?


Hopefully, this is the one question that doesn't need to be asked, because the answer is simple: Adventure games tell us stories, present us with puzzles to solve, and give us new worlds to explore that we could otherwise only imagine. As a specialist site we've been spreading the word about these immersive experiences for a long time, and we want to keep sharing our passion not only with like-minded gamers, but also introduce others who aren't aware of adventure games to this genre we all hold so dear. We can’t do this without you anymore, so please consider partnering with us. 

We don’t like asking for money, and we wish we could go on being completely self-sufficient, but the time has come to admit that we can’t. Hopefully our reputation for honesty and integrity speaks for itself, but rest assured that every dollar donated will be channeled into the operation and advancement of the site, a goal that benefits everyone.

We truly believe that a healthy Adventure Gamers contributes to a healthy adventure genre. The success of any niche market is dependent on a dedicated grassroots community keeping the faith. We’ve been doing just that for nearly two decades now, and during that time the genre has emerged from its oft-proclaimed “death” throes to where it is today: flourishing at an unprecedented level of independent development. With your help, we can continue to lead the way in providing ongoing coverage of this genre resurgence, but from this point on there’s only one way that can happen: together.

 


Comments

Bluamy Bluamy
Feb 5, 2018

This announcement is not only insightful, as I didn’t realize the site was all volunteer-supported, but whoever wrote it did an excellent job of explaining the reasons and projected goals that led you to ask for help. It must not have been an easy decision.

No other AG site has ever been as comprehensive and well maintained as yours. I haven’t been a registered member for long but after all these years of reading your articles, I thought it was time to give you something in return, and I’m sure many will feel the same. May the road ahead be… adventurous! Best wishes, guys! Smile

VoodooFX VoodooFX
Feb 6, 2018

I may not frequent the forums as much as I used to, due to real life getting in a way, but I still regard Adventuregamers my second home.
Now I can finally give something back to the guys and girls keeping the site alive.

And above all I-NEED-TO-HAVE-THAT-AG-TSHIRT, like now! (now=3 months from now) Smile

Jabod
Feb 6, 2018

Having said in the past that I’d be more than happy to contribute I’d be somewhat hypocritical if I didn’t sign up, so I’ve just done precisely that.
However.
I was somewhat surprised to find that I was having UK VAT added on top of my monthly payment. Added to that as I live outside the US my bank will be charging me for paying in a foreign currency ($) and they add an extra fee on top of that which is bloody annoying. The extra costs to me meant that I had to choose a lower tier than the one I wanted to commit to.
There would appear to be nothing AG can do about the VAT charges but it would be helpful if local currency contributions could be made via Patreon. If so I would then upgrade my monthly contribution to the level I originally intended.

Other than that I wish AG all the best in trying to add finances to work with.

Simplex Simplex
Feb 6, 2018

Congratulation on getting on Patreon!
But wouldn’t it make more sense if the goals were about financial contributions, not the number of patrons? Each patron can contribute a different amount, so it’s not exactly clear how much money you need for each goal.
For example, I know a Patreon user who needed 2000$ a month for his final goal and one single contributor actually pledged that monthly amount (CrossVR and Palmert Luckey)

Simplex Simplex
Feb 6, 2018

My post is still in moderation, this is what I was referring to:
https://www.patreon.com/posts/thanks-palmer-2-12239793

CaliMonk CaliMonk
Feb 6, 2018

Hey Jabod,

Great feedback, I’ll be honest that this is all very new to us (me) as well and not being a US person myself I’m trying to navigate these fields somewhat.

I’ll look to see what other options Patreon provides here, or if we can do something about how this works as having to add VAT indeed a bit… annoying.

Will get back to you on this, potentially we’ll have to offer other options (open to suggestions!).

CaliMonk CaliMonk
Feb 6, 2018

Hey Simplex,

Good point it’s one we’ve struggled with a lot, beyond the fact of asking for money, I didn’t want to be too focussed on “Give us all this money before we do this thing!!” doing it in number of Patreons seemed more easy to understand but perhaps I’ve actually done the opposite :-)

It’s mostly me trying to get used to the fact that we’re asking for contributions, something I don’t treat lightly and something I feel has a great responsibility with it; bottom line we want to deliver on our promises.

Will take your feedback here and see what we can potentially do different, as I pointed out, still very much learning here!

Eregian Eregian
Feb 6, 2018

If you donate through PayPal you’ll receive the same benefits, without Patreon getting in the way.

Jabod
Feb 6, 2018

CaliMonk

I’ve been giving this a bit of thought and to make sure that AG gets my money and not my bank or government I might do far better to pay for a year up front and cancel the Patreon Direct Debit. Trouble is I won’t touch PayPal.
This might prove better for AG this time round as it will give you a certain amount of cash upfront and act as a kick-start to in getting something on the go.
As has been referred to in your announcement you would appear to be not quite ready to facilitate this just yet but I do have a thought or two which, in the short term, might be better discussed over PM. Would this be OK with yourself(ves)?

Lady Kestrel Lady Kestrel
Feb 6, 2018

Since AG has been my main gaming home for many years now, I’ve made a monthly pledge.  Here’s to enough financial success for the site to not only survive but to thrive!

CaliMonk CaliMonk
Feb 6, 2018

Hey Jabod,

Happy to discuss in PM, I certainly hear ya. There are probably some options for something like you want to be honest, lets discuss

walas74 walas74
Feb 7, 2018

Glad to contribute to this great site!

SoccerDude SoccerDude
Feb 7, 2018

I love this site more than any other site on the internet. I will gladly support AG now and forever Smile

giom giom
Feb 7, 2018

Great that you finally did this. I said in the past that I’d contribute so here I am:)


Jabod, there’s a solution with patreon that is a bit of a grey area. If you sign up for the patreon with a VPN so that you have an ip address outside of EU you won’t get charged with VAT.  You’ll have to unpledge and create a new pledge though.

I found that out when I was traveling in EU and charged with VAT even though I shouldn’t since I’m not a resident.

TheMightyZQ TheMightyZQ
Feb 8, 2018

Done and done!  :-)

CaliMonk CaliMonk
Feb 9, 2018

Thanks so much everyone for your support! It means a lot to us and gives us a positive outlook to the future :-)

Jabod
Feb 10, 2018

Giom -  using a VPN I’d already thought of having been employed in IT since 1971. Although that could take out the cost of UK VAT it won’t do anything about my bank charges. These are a percentage of whatever I transfer (and this is a variable based on exchange rates and can’t be accurately forecast) plus a fixed charge for the actual processing. These will be probably be higher than the VAT.
Added to that would be finding a VPN that I could directly select a US base from without incurring charges for that and they don’t seem to exist as, not surprisingly, the US is the preferred country for most. I could try via my Internet Security (Kaspersky) as they offer a limited free service but there’s no guarantee of the country I’d be routed through.

I’ve had other ideas though which I’ve PM’d to Ivo. Should they actually work I’m sure that they’ll be made public for the use of others.

CaliMonk CaliMonk
Feb 11, 2018

Thanks everyone for your support so far, things are looking much much brighter than before this Patreon! With the current number of Patreons we are finally in a state where we would are not forced to pay substantial amounts of our own savings to keep the site running.

As it’s going now combined with some advertising sales incoming, we can keep the site running! Next up (hopefully) is having the additional funds available to start purchasing things like the new forum software (we’re exploring several options now).

With Jabod I’ve additionally tried to work out an alternative if anyone is interested to hear more do let me know. Not sure how well it works yet, but think it should be feasible.

Simplex Simplex
Feb 12, 2018

@Jabod - revolut offers interbank exchange rates, so no additional spread fees. And it’s not a bank.

Simplex Simplex
Feb 12, 2018

Consider resigning from the goal of number of patrons and switch to financial goals - if we get 100$ a month, we can do this. If we get 200$ a month, we can do this and that - this is how almost all patreons work. It makes sense, and it is transparent to your patrons.

Jabod
Feb 15, 2018

Simplex - thanks, and I can cheerfully say that I’d not heard of them. On investigation however I can also say that I wouldn’t go near them, at least, not yet. They’ve been in existence for less than 3 years (in the UK anyway) and their initial funding seems less than clear. Plus, I’d have to set up an account with them and then transfer funds from my normal bank into my account there and I have no idea if my bank would charge me fees for doing this.
As things stand the potential risks, for now, far outweigh any benefits.
Currently, as CaliMonk says above, an alternative is being attempted so we’ll see how that plays out.
I do agree with your thought re income per month as against Patreons in total though. A little more open and possible to see how income against running costs of AG compare. It may encourage some people to increase their monthly donations if the seen difference is perceived to be too high and expect CaliMonk et al to pay the difference.

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