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AG Community Playthrough #35: Syberia 2

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And we’re done. “Syberia 3:Escape from Syberia”, I guess?

Am I the only one that found the doll/egg “puzzle”a bit strange? Why would that attract the penguins any more than just messing with the eggs?
Asking the big questions…

Some interesting thoughts and theories in this thread.

     
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Done too. I completely loved it, and it was a really touching adventure. 

Duck of Doom - 17 September 2015 03:21 PM

Am I the only one that found the doll/egg “puzzle”a bit strange? Why would that attract the penguins any more than just messing with the eggs?

Yeah I thought the exact same thing. It didn’t make sense.

     
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The only thing I can think of is that the egg-like matryoshka doll is interesting and makes them curious, whereas messing with the eggs makes them aggressive. We want them to come over WITHOUT attacking us...

Even though it may not be the most logical puzzle, it’s not that it was a difficult one with the vast amount of inventory items you could use… Tongue


Finished the game as well. Cool

Yay, Hans reached his ultimate dream! And now we’re stranded alone on Syberia...
That’s actually a rather non-ending, isn’t it??? Especially considering the length of both games… Gasp

     

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TimovieMan - 17 September 2015 06:05 PM

Yay, Hans reached his ultimate dream! And now we’re stranded alone on Syberia...
That’s actually a rather non-ending, isn’t it??? Especially considering the length of both games… Gasp

I’m with you there Tim. Back in 2010 there was this thread:

http://archive.adventuregamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24358&highlight=syberia

The bit below was posted by myself (from page 5 of the thread) though many disagreed:

Having read through this thread I’m somewhat surprised that everyone seems to think that Syberia 2 completed the journey rather nicely. It didn’t. How the hell was Kate supposed to get home? There she is, stuck on an island, with a boat that pretty much navigated itself. Even if she could get it to reverse the journey the train is pointing in the wrong direction. Possibility of turning it around I suppose but Oscar steadfastly refused to allow Kate any knowledge of how to operate the engine and anyway, part of the line is out. Poor girl is stuck there with only Youki for company, no apparent food, no shelter and it’s going to be rather cold. I’d give her about 72 hours before she’s frozen to death. Plenty of scope to allow the story to further unfold, albeit with different characters.

Following this CPT I’ve been reminded of something that invalidates one thing I said there which allows for Kate to get back to the Youkil village.

     

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Finished the game too.

I will not talk more about my feelings about Hans, I think I made them crystal clear. Wink

I will however talk about Kate. While the journey was a very enjoyable one, with it’s ups and downs, I feel the Syberia 2 ending left me somewhat empty. It was the full realization of what we were talking about in the original Syberia AGCP. Kate successfully escorted Hans to the land of the mammoths. So what? Was it her dream? No. Did she achieved anyhting that really matters on her way through? Hans excepted, no. Was there any point of her going into this whole mess instead of just saying to her employer and her ex-life “sc**w you guys, I’m going home”? In all sincerety, no. I would have prefered instead a kind of ending that would give Kate some kind of true purpose, some kind of meaning to her journey, at least as some kind of reward for her troubles…

     
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Sefir - 18 September 2015 02:32 PM

Finished the game too.

I will not talk more about my feelings about Hans, I think I made them crystal clear. Wink

I will however talk about Kate. While the journey was a very enjoyable one, with it’s ups and downs, I feel the Syberia 2 ending left me somewhat empty. It was the full realization of what we were talking about in the original SYberia AGCP. Kate successfully escorted Hans to the land of the mammoths. So what? Was it her dream? No. Did she achieved anyhting that really matters on her way through? Hans excepted, no. Was there any point of her going into this whole mess instead of just saying to her employer and her ex-life “sc**w you guys, I’m going home”? In all sincerety, no. I would have prefered instead a kind of ending that would give Kate some kind of true purpose, some kind of meaning to her journey, at least as some kind of reward for her troubles…

All of Kate’s journey (because of Hans’s love for mammoths) has deeply changed her personality. She let go of the shackles of modern corporate life, and let herself free into the beauty and wonder of nature. Also, if mammoths did exist in our world, and I had the chance to go and see them, wouldn’t I? It must be an amazing experience to see a majestic creature that has been thought of as extinct.

     
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SoccerDude28 - 18 September 2015 02:44 PM

All of Kate’s journey (because of Hans’s love for mammoths) has deeply changed her personality.

Nah, I don’t think there was any personality change in Kate in the entire Syberia 2. The whole change was through her telephone conversations and her experience throughout Syberia 1. I still see no reason why she shouldn’t have taken that plane and still changed her life entirely. Syberia 2 was not her journey, not her dreams….that is my opinion at least.

EDIT: I am also intrigued by the leaked images of Syberia 3. They look like being taken from a more Middle-Eastern place. Interesting, considering Kate was left stranded in an island….

     
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SoccerDude28 - 18 September 2015 02:44 PM

All of Kate’s journey (because of Hans’s love for mammoths) has deeply changed her personality. She let go of the shackles of modern corporate life, and let herself free into the beauty and wonder of nature.

Yeah, but she did all that in the first game. Kate’s entire character development arc is situated in the first game. This is just the completion of the journey she started in that game.

I agree with Sefir that the ending feels empty. It would have been better if they emphasised that Hans’s dream is now also Kate’s dream, and if she’d also ridden into the Syberian sunset on a mammoth. Would’ve fit much better than the non-ending we’re left with.

The first game gave us an open ending that was far more wrapped up than this one, imo.

In fact, I’m not exactly satisfied with the second game because of this. Most of the story felt like filler, and to make matters worse, the “now what?” ending provides less closure than the first game did. In short, this second game felt completely unnecessary and worse: unfinished still.

     

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I still haven’t finished the game. I haven’t had the chance to reload it yet. Hope my reinstalled saved games work. If not, I’ll be hitting somebody up for one before the thread gets unpinned.

At the ending, (from memory,) I recall feeling fairly satisfied. Not like I did at the ending of AVS, when I already knew that the previously-planned sequel had been cancelled. With Syberia 2, a sequel was not only needed, but seemed to be no more that two or three years away. And, here we are, over ten years later, and the sequel is still on the horizon.

So, anybody playing this playthrough, who had never played S2 before is probably going to feel some degree of disappointment. I think it’s understandable.

     

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Sefir - 18 September 2015 02:32 PM

I will however talk about Kate. While the journey was a very enjoyable one, with it’s ups and downs, I feel the Syberia 2 ending left me somewhat empty. It was the full realization of what we were talking about in the original Syberia AGCP. Kate successfully escorted Hans to the land of the mammoths. So what? Was it her dream? No. Did she achieved anyhting that really matters on her way through? Hans excepted, no. Was there any point of her going into this whole mess instead of just saying to her employer and her ex-life “sc**w you guys, I’m going home”? In all sincerety, no. I would have prefered instead a kind of ending that would give Kate some kind of true purpose, some kind of meaning to her journey, at least as some kind of reward for her troubles…

Exactly! I’ve said it before and I apologize in advance for saying it again: Kate has been playing MOTHER to the many, many children, fools, halfwits, idiots she meets, not to mention Hans. That’s her dream. From the cold-hearted lawyer to the kind, helpful, caring Kate in Syberia 2. Her destiny is to return to New York and end up marrying a handsome but immature and irresponsible man who is of course unfaithful to her. She will love taking care of him and their four children.

     

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well excuse me, Ahem* ...but we have got the 1st part of two games, explaining how she was drawn into the journey, there nothing wrong with her going all the way through it, to find her client, as there is nothing wrong in playing the hero and rejoicing for an old helpless when helping him to pursue his dreams, maybe she needed redemption herself, we do not know who is kate walker in past life.
we ve got heroes saving the world because they can only do it, for gods sake.

     
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I have a feeling that she might just want to see Mammoths, and not only accompany Hans. I mean, if you were in her shoes, and you had an opportunity to see an animal that was thought to be extinct for thousands of years, wouldn’t you take that? Her job can wait, and she will have plenty of opportunities when/if she goes back to the US. I asked my wife what she would have done in this scenario, and she said she would have gone to see the mammoths too. How often do you get a chance to be one of the few people in the world to see such a majestic creature thought to be extinct?

     
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I have also finished the game - I believe that the this game had a great ending as well.

Now, sure there’s room for another game and there’s questions to be answered, how does Kate get home, what happens to Kate next, etc. There’s always the possibility that this game series was originally planned to be a trilogy and Syberia 3 was always in the cards.

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I’ll never forget it. After that dramatic ending in Syberia 1, where Kate at the very last moment decides to join Hans in his quest, dramatic music, emotional ending, and then the first thing she says to Hans in the opening scene of Syberia 2 is “You have a fever, you should rest” (mother taking care of her child) and the second thing that it’s all a kid’s dream?? What what are you doing on this train, Kate? I remember being flabbergasted.

     

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Sefir - 18 September 2015 02:32 PM

Was there any point of her going into this whole mess instead of just saying to her employer and her ex-life “sc**w you guys, I’m going home”?

I don’t think she really has a “home” to go back to.
That’s part of her problem—nothing worth going back to, and lots of things she doesn’t want to go back to. She follows Hans’ dream to its conclusion. But once that is done, she has no real destination. Will Syberia 3 be about Kate finding a real home—a real purpose?

I keep wondering what happens to Hans. How long is his life span extended by joining with Oscar’s body? Does he cork off within a week or is his life span extended by many years? Considering the “magic” impossible nature of many of his creations, it could be either. If his life span is extended, what will he do with his time? Will he start creating more impossible machines once he has his fill of riding mammoths?

     

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