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For me the answer is quite easy: New & Fresh Concepts/IPs definitely!

As i have already argued in another thread, i am not a big fan of remakes.

There is nothing wrong with sequels, as long as there is still new fresh ideas in the series like Gabriel Knight, or there is more to the story that haven’t been told yet like Dreamfall Chapters or Deponia. But if they are just trying to milk there previous succes like Rocky or Batman XXVII, then it is not for me

Advie - 23 February 2013 08:56 PM

... ask anyone would you rather had seen J.J making the 4th part for GK instead of the current being developed Moebius and we all have an idea what the answer (previously) will be.

Well i would definitely rather have Moebius than a new GK game. (I guees that wasn’t the answer you expected?)

Primate Ryan - 23 February 2013 09:02 PM

... See for example the difference between typical American television shows and British ones. The former often run as long as there are enough viewers (not always, especially on HBO) stretching the story and the characters too thin, while British television series regularly end after only a couple of seasons of 6-8 episodes each. I really prefer the latter approach.

I couldn’t agree more, even though it is not a unique american thing, there are also british and other european shows that has run for far too long.

Iznogood - 24 February 2013 06:12 AM

Advie - 23 February 2013 08:56 PM

... ask anyone would you rather had seen J.J making the 4th part for GK instead of the current being developed Moebius and we all have an idea what the answer (previously) will be.

Well i would definitely rather have Moebius than a new GK game. (I guees that wasn’t the answer you expected?)

See .. you actually knew/guessed the answer i expected even if you don’t agree

i was thinking of a new thread and then i remembered I had this one already, which has the idea of what i am thinking of, thought to give it a refresh.

The idea and depending on the results of this poll (and to make it short) i just seem not to quite believe you guys, and to take off anything offensive at this statement; i am one of the guys directing it to..

The poll suggests/tells that we are mostly into New & Fresh Concepts/IPs more than remakes and sequels (yea very obvious ) but if we deleted the poll subjects and replaced them with these:
GK1/Grim fandango (remakes) - Remakes for their Classic Adventures.
GK4/Grim Fandango 2 - Sequels of their famous IPs.
Moebius/Broken Age - New & Fresh Concepts/IPs.
and please now that your eyes off ‘of’ each of the 2nd parts of the lines above!, look me in the eyes (hhehe) and tell me you wouldn’t choose any of the the first two lines over the last.

Fresh ideas/IPs; we just had Moebius, and the Hype over the upcoming GK1-remake tells it all/differently, so the question is: why we seem ‘not’ very sure/true about what we really want, or about what we would like to see/happen.

sorry (again) about my earlier statement if it would be understood in wrong way, but i have totally clear intentions about it, i swear , i myself seem to be very confused about it, and i can not bring out any words except with all my hype for Space-Venture i still love to see Space Quest 7 or even Space QuestI re-imaged by the creators, (and put under ‘the-creators’ 10 lines!!) , although when this thread/poll question was given, i had chosen something but now I would choose differently  

maybe this question could never have a definite answer, and might depend very much on: the IP itself, whom the developer is, or even the timing/when itself (could be very stirring!).

I haven’t voted the poll yet because I really haven’t made up my mind.

I think of really good games that I enjoyed that were created to play on 8088 - 588 systems. That were delivered on anything from 5.75 floppies to multiple CD packages.

There are more than a few of these that I would love to see get total upgrades.

But the problem is, witness the LSL Reloaded remake, if you can’t get the whole team together, something will be lost in translation. Al and Josh, as good as they are, just couldn’t deliver. There was a chemistry they had at Sierra that couldn’t be duplicated.

Sequels? I think everyone is looking forward to the possibility of Syberia 3. And we are relying on Benoit Sokol to deliver the type of storytelling with graphic elegance that he is known for. So is that the direction I would like to see the polled games go? Yes, but only if they are crafted by the hands on a master.

As for the third poll option, I don’t know what to think. There are a select few game developers/creators/designers that I would trust to create a totally new IP and bring it to market. My pal Josh is one. But his pals Al and JJ aren’t.

Advie - 07 October 2014 07:22 PM

and please now that your eyes off of the 2nd part of each line, and look me in the eyes (hhehe) and tell me you would choose any of the the first two lines over the last.

The fact that neither Moebius nor Broken Age lived up to my expectations, doesn’t really change anything - I still prefer they come up with fresh new IPs. It is perhaps more risky then staying with the same old formula, but it also have the potential to be something really great instead of just more of the same.

There is a few exceptions where I prefer a sequel, Dreamfall Chapters being the most obvious, but that is because Ragnar really owns us the 2nd part of the story, and the Longest Journey has so much potential for more stories. But as for Sokal, then I would actually prefer something new instead of Syberia III. (still looking forward to it though)

rtrooney - 07 October 2014 09:14 PM

I haven’t voted the poll yet because I really haven’t made up my mind.

hmmm, this is how the results are/look right now

Iznogood - 07 October 2014 09:39 PM

The fact that neither Moebius nor Broken Age lived up to my expectations, doesn’t really change anything - I still prefer they come up with fresh new IPs. It is perhaps more risky then staying with the same old formula, but it also have the potential to be something really great instead of just more of the same.

 

Man you can change your mind, even if you couldnt change your choice at the poll above, i do smell a much load of stubbornness ,here!?

Oscar - 07 October 2014 09:56 PM

I’d like to suggest a 4th option: Designer’s discretion. If Jane feels she can make a GK4 which is as good as the other 3, go for it! If she doesn’t, let her make Moebius. She’s the person who should know best, not us.

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Man?! how dare you! , seriously (no hard feeling, mostly joking) but i do not accept this statement as/to myself if you are talking about us, not that i am biased against her (or maybe i am!, but trying not as much as i can while writing this post), its just that i know she even would not accept this kind of statements; its us what makes her think what is the best, reflects upon what she thinks and what she knows of how would she satisfy ...us. she is what she is, because we know better.. i mean she wouldn’t (mostly sure)have had predicted all the love and appreciation she gotten, while making GK back then, she was supposedly overwhelmed and might not understand how she did it ‘til this moment (maybe i am carried away with this, but take the meaning, just hypothetically)

All of those for me really. This is not a one or the another question IMO. But on regards the remakes, I feel they should be done if they really contribute something to the original, i.e.  fix UI and controls, enhance the story in some meaningful fashion or add some new elements or give flat out new interpretion of the game.

Advie -

The poll suggests/tells that we are mostly into New & Fresh Concepts/IPs more than remakes and sequels (yea very obvious ) but if we deleted the poll subjects and replaced them with these:
GK1/Grim fandango (remakes) - Remakes for their Classic Adventures.
GK4/Grim Fandango 2 - Sequels of their famous IPs.
Moebius/Broken Age - New & Fresh Concepts/IPs.

You’re somewhat handpicking examples to suit your own viewpoint more.
Why not this:
GK1 / LSL Reloaded - remakes
Jack Keane 2 / Secret Files 3 - sequels
Resonance / The Cat Lady / Kentucky Route Zero - new & fresh concepts/IPs

See what I did? Now doesn’t that last category look a lot more interesting now?

Also, Moebius could arguably fall in the ‘sequels’ category since it’s a spiritual successor - it only got made because Jane Jensen didn’t have the rights to the GK IP. If she had the rights to GK4, who’s to say that it wouldn’t end up as exactly the same game as Moebius, only with Gabe instead of Malachi as the protagonist?

and please now that your eyes off ‘of’ each of the 2nd parts of the lines above!, look me in the eyes (hhehe) and tell me you wouldn’t choose any of the the first two lines over the last.

I wouldn’t.
My opion hasn’t changed.
I think remakes are redundant and a waste of time and resources.
While I like sequels, I think they should only be made if there’s actually a good story to support them (in other words: CMI yes, Simon 4&5 no) or if they’re made to complete a half-finished previous game (Dreamfall: Chapters comes to mind).
The best option is still new & fresh concepts and IPs since that’s where the innovation is and has always been coming from. It’s the new & fresh ideas that move us forward.

Iznogood -

I still prefer they come up with fresh new IPs. It is perhaps more risky then staying with the same old formula, but it also have the potential to be something really great instead of just more of the same.

^ This.

With the added remark that remakes and sequels can fall just as flat as a new IP could. And probably even flatter since they’re generally going to be more high-profile than new IPs due to their link with the original/previous game. Bad new IPs are more likely to just disappear into oblivion immediately…

Advie -

Man?! how dare you! , seriously (no hard feeling, mostly joking) but i do not accept this statement as/to myself if you are talking about us, not that i am biased against her (or maybe i am!, but trying not as much as i can while writing this post), its just that i know she even would not accept this kind of statements; its us what makes her think what is the best, reflects upon what she thinks and what she knows of how would she satisfy ...us.

Actually, I think most designers make the kinds of games that they themselves would like to play most, and go from there.
Especially with new IPs they’re not as concerned with what *we* want. And that’s a good thing.
If they only cared about what the gaming community wanted, we’d never have evolved past Colossal Cave Adventure…

you know Timo its easy stand up against my believes (everytime) since you know that like you (bottom-line) , sorry but I had proved myself manytimes right through topics I brought in and time was on my side ,  .. and even everytime I was wrong I admitted or even apologized , I was never afraid to change my believes everytime I was proved wrong.

“Actually, I think most designers make the kinds of games that they themselves would like to play most, and go from there. ....we’d never have evolved past Colossal Cave Adventure… “

and this not true and you make it sound, reconsider your references, as Crowther created Colossal Cave that he thought could be enjoyed by young daughters, not necessarily by himself

GK1 / LSL Reloaded - remakes
Jack Keane 2 / Secret Files 3 - sequels
Resonance / The Cat Lady / Kentucky Route Zero - new & fresh concepts/IPs

See what I did? Now doesn’t that last category look a lot more interesting now?

I hope you have had read the pervious post of mine until the end because this what I said “maybe this question could never have a definite answer, and might depend very much on: the IP itself, whom the developer is, or even the timing/when itself (could be very stirring!).” tells already I am supporting any point of view but to bring out and evoke the concept to be discussed whatever the viewpoint gonna be.

Advie - 08 October 2014 03:26 PM

and this not true and you make it sound, reconsider your references, as Crowther created Colossal Cave that he thought could be enjoyed by young daughters, not necessarily by himself

Doesn’t really change my statement. In this case he made it for his daughter instead of himself, but I doubt he made it with a bigger audience in mind…