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To me it is problematic, taking the player role as a child to, in closup, stitch your own arm, repeatedly smash the head of someone, just for a few of more examples iI could give. It,s a sort of pornography. WD 1 had that too, but there you played as an adult. Big difference.

Avoiding the violent nature of the world because we’re now playing as a child would be disingenuous and a disservice to the players and to the core themes of the game. It’s a harsh reality and I’m glad they didn’t compromise just to keep some people happy.

Yes, what a waste, keeping me happy.

I’m not saying that alienating fans is a good thing, but ultimately it’s better than compromising on a creative vision. In all honesty, I can’t understand how you could be fine with everything that happened in season 1—which included a mother committing suicide, possibly shooting a kid, plus a lot of bad stuff happening in front of Clem—and then suddenly take offence at season 2 for making you stitch up a wound. It’s just bizarre to me, but hey, everybody’s different.

smulan - 26 December 2013 06:50 AM

To me it is problematic, taking the player role as a child to, in closup, stitch your own arm, repeatedly smash the head of someone, just for a few of more examples iI could give. It,s a sort of pornography. WD 1 had that too, but there you played as an adult. Big difference.

Well, everybody’s different, but I fully agree with Orient.
If you easily take offense (which you evidently do by calling this ‘pornography’)’, then there is an entire Disney catalogue available with better fitting entertainment for you.

Some themes require things to be more on the edge of taste and political correctness, otherwise the credibility of the material is out of the window. I mean, nobody blames Tarantino movies for being distasteful or some kind of ‘pornography’‘......everybody understands it’s inherently linked to the source material and the creative vision of the writer.

I think what smulan is trying to say is that, for him, this first episode of TWD Season 2 feels like Telltale is going through the motions and checking things off a list based on what the “expectations” are for a shockingly gory zombie game that manipulates player emotions, and that some of these things feel arbitrary and forced, as opposed to organically enhancing the story.  Rather than shock value being used in a nuanced way to heighten tension, here it feels like shock value for shock value’s sake.  That’s the issue.  He can correct me if I’m misrepresenting his view.  Seems like a totally valid opinion to have to me.  You really have to be stretching things if you interpret those statements as “I’d rather be playing Disney games.”  But hey, we all love us some personal attacks now don’t we? 

Lambonius - 27 December 2013 11:57 AM

I think what smulan is trying to say is that, for him, this first episode of TWD Season 2 feels like Telltale is going through the motions and checking things off a list based on what the “expectations” are for a shockingly gory zombie game that manipulates player emotions, and that some of these things feel arbitrary and forced, as opposed to organically enhancing the story.  Rather than shock value being used in a nuanced way to heighten tension, here it feels like shock value for shock value’s sake.  That’s the issue.  He can correct me if I’m misrepresenting his view.  Seems like a totally valid opinion to have to me.  You really have to be stretching things if you interpret those statements as “I’d rather be playing Disney games.”  But hey, we all love us some personal attacks now don’t we? 

Well, if that’s what he meant then I agree that there is a valid point. ( the shock effect)

But what he wrote about was crossing the line if a child would have to do atrocious things, whereas it would be totally ok for an adult to do so. Taking the source material in mind, this would be rather unfitting…...as also supported by the WD tv series.

subbi - 27 December 2013 12:50 PM

Well, if that’s what he meant then I agree that there is a valid point. ( the shock effect)

But what he wrote about was crossing the line if a child would have to do atrocious things, whereas it would be totally ok for an adult to do so. Taking the source material in mind, this would be rather unfitting…...as also supported by the WD tv series.

And that’s fair, too.  I don’t think that the age of the protagonist necessarily makes any of the horrific moments less appropriate.  Though I could certainly see how it would make certain things more shocking to have them happening to a child.  Whether that crosses a line for anyone is really a matter of personal taste.

Some of the more horrific stuff that happens in the comic involving children are not what happens to them (although plenty of that) but how they react and see a world of violence. Now Clem acts like a mature adult most of the times and even does stuff most adults wouldn’t dream of like stitching with one hand (that was Stallone territory ), so I doubt we’ll more of Clem acting has a child (kind of like Carl in the Tv show).

Yeah, one of the key themes explored within the universe of TWD, across several forms of media now, is what kind of effect such an apocalyptic world would have on the developing mind of a child and, in some ways, the importance of instilling compassion and humanity, when brutality seems the most beneficial course of action.

Again, given how this second season appears to be a coming of age story for Clementine, it doesn’t seem unreasonable that she should be required to overcome obstacles that would task such a young person, forcing her to act on what she learned from her time with Lee. Also, from a pure, basic storytelling POV, you can’t go backwards - the obstacles must become increasingly difficult for them to have meaning. We can’t go from say, Lee’s potential amputation to Clementine having an easy time of it - that’s one of the difficulties inherent in sequels.

I personally felt that the stitching scene owed a great debt to Heavy Rain’s finger amputation scene in its lingering depiction of the act in an attempt to convey the gravity, pain and tension. As such, it felt a little derivative, but not at all out of place tonally.

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Tempting

Ep 2 trailer

4th of March.
Another 4 month delay ??
Carver sounds awesome (sounds like bigby VA).

Please tell me name of the music track in trailer.

nomadsoul - 27 February 2014 11:17 AM

4th of March.
Another 4 month delay ??

The first episode released on December 17. So no, more like two and a half months.

Holy… Carver is voiced by Michael Madsen.
Gotta have some Daud fix.