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as a person who made an explicitly noticeable contribution to this project, my reaction to some of the skeptics/detractors and questions:

- keep in mind on what kind of budget and timeline the visual and audio assets were created.
- at the same time the pricepoint here is very low
- is this game something you’d be proud of your kids for playing and loving?

I’m not subscribed to this thread according to both the link under the title of the thread or my personal settings. Yet I keep getting mails. on which I have clicked the unsubscribe button several times.

Most of the criticism in the pages of this thread make the thread nearly unreadable for me. The total lack of charity and humility in the criticism. The childish, redundant, loud criticism from people who haven’t and refuse to play the game. The obvious frustration of people who have played the game and are trying to be even-handed with their reflection. Why not call out of the “professional naysayers,” who seem to show up for every thread as if it were their job?

These threads are a dime a dozen on AG these days. Super, super frustrating, as I have been following these forums for as long as they’ve existed. Seems like there used to be more charitable voices around here and more constructive dialogue. Maybe I’m wrong about my perception of “the golden days.” But more and more I find myself not wanting to show up here at all.

Really sad and frustrating. How do you fix it?

THANK GOD the staff of AG keeps the trolls away from writing reviews for this site.

Marek Bronstring still in charge here? good.
thanks Timovieman

Thanks Katie! I’ll just log out and never come back! ;-)

cesarbittar - 17 October 2014 05:03 AM

We were talking how this way of doing convos have been much more well received than the way we did it in Moebius. Which is great but her immediate reaction, which I share, was “I don’t understand”.

That’s because she and I like dynamism. We like cameras changing, things not being static all the time. I personally get easily bored at static cameras. I have a really tough time getting through conversations in Daedelic games or something like TLJ (Even if it’s one of my fav games ever). So, it was something Jane saw in Cognition and TSL and pushed for having in Moebius.

I think this comment is quite telling, and acts as a microcosm of the whole situation.

While it’s great to have ambition, knowing ones own abilities and limitations - and then focussing on, and honing the things you can do well - is also a valuable skill.  It’s often preferable to attempting something more complex that you’re unable to achieve convincingly.  Learning to walk before you can run and all that.

Veovis - 17 October 2014 10:44 AM

Niclas - 16 October 2014 04:37 PM

Remake of gk3 would be awesome, since that game has not aged that well.

Boy, do we have different views on both those points…  Here’s hoping there will never ever be an attempt to remake GK3. It’s perfect, despite and/or because its design flaws and somewhat dated graphics.

The ONLY way I would be okay with that game being remade is if EVERYTHING was kept the same, and only character models/environments were updated with new graphics, a bit like Grim Fandango remastered. In my eyes it’s perfection anyway but it definitely doesn’t need a 20th Anniversary edition job! NO WAY JOSE lol. I really doubt it would ever happen anyway. Would be very cool if a fan someone updated the graphics though via a mod.

Actually, take out Mosely disguise puzzle and it really would be perfection!

TimovieMan - 17 October 2014 03:46 PM

Bogi - 17 October 2014 05:26 AM

Sometimes nothing is much better than something. I’m not sure how this “developers vs. players” war is good for the community, but I’m amazed how someone can be so blinded not to see that making bad games only hurts the genre.
And the idea that people should rally behind such a wreck (I’m sorry but it is what it is) like Moebius is setting new standards for living in illusion.

^ This.

No. This is complete bunk.

It can certainly be true on an individual basis: “I don’t like this, so I won’t buy it, because nothing is better than something I won’t like.” But conflating that with “I don’t like something, therefore it is bad” is mistake number one. And to extend that to “I don’t like something, therefore the developer should have made it how I like it or not made it at all” is exactly the kind of nauseating hubris I was referring to earlier. We see the same nonsense every time people whine about pixel art—or Myst-style games, or hidden object games, or you-name-it throughout the years. It’s just as utterly ignorant no matter what the subject.

These are not bridges with a functional purpose and measurable characteristics of success. Games are art, and so long as some people value and enjoy an artist’s creation, something is always better than nothing. To say otherwise is to claim that one person’s (or group’s) tastes and opinions are inherently superior than others’, which of course is idiotic.

And people REALLY need to get over this “genre” thing. There is no such thing as a genre—it can’t be hurt, killed, helped, or revived. There are only individual games, around which we create an imaginary box and call it a genre. The quality of Moebius, GK, or any other game has absolutely no bearing on the imaginary box, except inside people’s heads.

EDIT: Also, Nico, you’re not showing any thread subscriptions in admin, so presumably it’s just taking a while for your preferences to fully register.

The timing of this release seems poor. Forget the flood of AAA releases coming, even adventure fans are probably going to gravitate toward Ethan Carter and Dreamfall Chapters. I’ll get to it eventually, but by then it’ll probably be time for holiday sales.