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You guys are embarrassing yourself by spinning the whole situation and relating it to structure against ACTUAL Promise which i pointed.

tomimt - 29 June 2014 06:32 AM

The thing is, if they’d release full game, it would be more like how Netflix releases House Of Cards and Orange is the New Black. Despite both of are series, Netflix allows the people to watch the season in one sitting by releasing all the episodes at once. Ragnar has many times said, that the story structure has alwasy been like this, but they originally thought they could release all the books, or episodes at once.

So in that sence Ragnrar was contradicting himself from the start, as the game always had more of an episodic structure, despite they planned to release all of it in the first place.

More like you are grasping straws here, There are plenty of games Like Siren PS3 and Alanwake who championed this format , even before house of Cards but again they were not dick to release it one after another. Same for House of Cards which is totally different medium.

Ragnar is simply following trend, he saw Tim, Cecil and TTG and thought, “Hey AGamers now tuned to this shit trend lets Reinforce it” and yes the way i see it (you and
others defending it), its indeed working like anything.

nomadsoul - 29 June 2014 02:35 PM

Ragnar is simply following trend, he saw Tim, Cecil and TTG and thought, “Hey AGamers now tuned to this shit trend lets Reinforce it”

Oh absolutely. Ragnar’s has left his old big employer and started up his own company so that he can make the game he’s wanted to for 8 years. So obviously in that situation he doesn’t do what’s best for the game, the company or to keep his backers/customers/fans happy. Much more important is reinforcing a trend. Sounds likely.

TimovieMan - 29 June 2014 03:57 PM

nomadsoul - 29 June 2014 02:35 PM

Ragnar is simply following trend, he saw Tim, Cecil and TTG and thought, “Hey AGamers now tuned to this shit trend lets Reinforce it” and yes the way i see it (you and
others defending it), its indeed working like anything.

Now who’s clutching at straws? Whatever Ragnar’s motivation was, this wasn’t it.

And you prove this how , saying wasn’t???

Great argument

DaveyB - 29 June 2014 04:51 PM

nomadsoul - 29 June 2014 02:35 PM

Ragnar is simply following trend, he saw Tim, Cecil and TTG and thought, “Hey AGamers now tuned to this shit trend lets Reinforce it”

Oh absolutely. Ragnar’s has left his old big employer and started up his own company so that he can make the game he’s wanted to for 8 years.

A parasite lost its host at best, not untill he saw demise of Funcom in picture.

Give parasite a cent and he will ask for a dollar.

TimovieMan - 29 June 2014 05:06 PM

nomadsoul - 29 June 2014 04:53 PM

And you prove this how , saying wasn’t???

Great argument

Your point was so insanely farfetched that it needed no argument. I mean, I can turn to hyperbole with conspiracy theories sometimes, but this… Really…

If you still want an argument, DaveyB provided a good one, though.

Thats because you chose to conveniently skip FAQ part and quoted what you can with


DaveyB is already owned by Cubase .

TimovieMan - 29 June 2014 06:03 PM

nomadsoul - 29 June 2014 05:47 PM

Thats because you chose to conveniently skip FAQ part and quoted what you can with

I’m not disagreeing when you say they broke their earlier promise, and I’m disappointed as well.
But they did not do it to reinforce a trend, and Ragnar is not laughing maniacally shouting “SUCKERS!” at the AG community.

Ofcourse that was a little bit exaggeration on my part but his interviews clearly show
where his Ideas are coming from, so its basically 2+2

Frogacuda - 29 June 2014 07:42 AM

No, it was still episodic even when the release was not. The game itself has ALWAYS been episodic in structure, regardless of the distribution plan.

It’s the distribution we’re talking about, though, not the structure—that’s the issue here. Like I said:

The fact that it’s broken into chapters doesn’t solve the problem of waiting months (3 months? 6 months? 12? Who knows…) between each episode. Offering the game up like that is not optimal, but here we are—it has to be done.

All together, that’s a year from Book 1 to Book 5 at the absolute minimum. Bleh.

Good news, new Story trailer this week.

Nice. Apparently play-time is equally split between Zoe and Kian, which is interesting. I don’t have the greatest memory of Dreamfall (definitely replaying it before Chapters’ release), but I can’t remember being all that compelled by Kian as a character. Maybe it was just his lack of screen-time. I’m sure their respective plot lines will be entwined in interesting and unpredictable ways.

Honestly, I’m a bit surprised by how many people bitch and moan whenever a project’s release is delayed or a kickstarter project runs into financial issues…

The fact is budgeting a game is very hard. This is the case for any software projects (and I say that having created a software company before). It’s even harder when a new team is formed to work on the project since it’s impossible to predict the speed and productivity of everyone. Games are even harder to predict than a software project because it needs a lot of refinement before it’s judged to be fun, it’s very difficult to plan for the creativity and good ideas involved in creating a game. Add to this the tendency by game creators (Tim Schafer and Ragnar Tørnquist) to dream big and to end up wanting to create a game that is bigger and better than what would be easily done with their budget. And honestly, are you going to blame them for being passionate about their game?

So games are going to be late and over budget. Before publishers had to deal with that and we were outside of the sausage factory and never really saw what happened (only hints with announcements of delays or cancelled projects). Now with kickstarter, we get a real idea of what development is like, we see the setbacks but it’s always been like this. There’s no point moaning about it, games are not magically going to be on time and on budget with great quality anytime soon.

That said, I’ve backed quite a few games on kickstarter (14 games), out of those, there are really two games that stood out for me in term of fun and happiness at the released product: Broken Sword and Broken Age.

Both of those ended up being cut in episodes but both ended up much better than I expected (disclaimer: episode 2 of Broken Age is not out yet but I’ve been so impressed by the first episode that I’m unlikely to be disappointed).

So, I agree Ragnar went back on what he said, he told us he would release a complete game rather than one episode at a time. But I honestly don’t care about that. I want the best game possible and if the way to get that is for them to release it one episode at a time, then so be it.

It really makes me sad we’ll probably never see how the games made in self-governed socialism environment would look like

Being restricted by a budget severely limits imagination of artists and their ability to present their dreams to others.

Bogi - 30 June 2014 08:46 PM

It really makes me sad we’ll probably never see how the games made in self-governed socialism environment would look like

Being restricted by a budget severely limits imagination of artists and their ability to present their dreams to others.

Every developer can go overboard with their ambition but they must attend to reality.

Project managers are as important as good writer like Ragnar or Tim.

That why good Project Managers are getting more importance.

There are developers like Quantic Dream and Platinum games with sustainable models
and doing pretty good uptill now without shit delays or broken parts.

Proper scope and ROI is key.

Ragnar is not delaying game but wants to generate income, there is difference.
He needs more money than what he asked for.

First part is to lure fans for meeting base goal through KS and then further raise money
through butchering game itself. Its a nice strategy by clever people.
If only developers could show the same clever attitude in making decent business plan.