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Jdawg445 - 05 November 2021 07:18 PM

Veovis - 05 November 2021 06:45 PM

Jdawg445 - 05 November 2021 06:19 PM

As far as everything else goes, you know i ended up not liking gibbious and had serious issues with it, but there is obvious very talented people on your team. I dont see that with saint kotar, there is a reason why so many people are scratching their heads with the glowing reviews some are giving it.

You hit the hammer on the nail here I think. I too did not care for Gibbous but it obviously came from folks who genuinely wanted to and believed they had created something good.

With Saint Kotar I can’t shake the feeling of have being fooled and I regretted having paid for something that the developers’ themselves must have understood not being a commercially viable product. Yet another proof of why these Kickstarter thingies are generally not worth supporting. I don’t anymore (unless it’s for an official Riven upgrade…).

 

Yes, although i think the saint kotar game was not a malicious cash grab at all, just people who had no idea what they were doing but knew what buzzwords to use to sell a game. I never hated the devs, just knew what it would be back in 17 or 18.

I never meant that Saint Kotar is a cash grab or that the devs didn’t genuinely want to create a great game from the beginning, just that it’s clear to me that the devs have cut some serious corners and delivered an end result that makes me feel a bit cheated in relation to the “marketing” they have been doing in this thread. It will be interesting to read professional reviews when they start appearing. Maybe it’s just me.

Reading my post again, I realize my words regarding Gibbous came out harsher than I intended. I indeed didn’t particularly enjoy that game very much, but that was a much more “subjective” feeling compared to Saint Kotar. Gibbous is imo a very well made game that happened not to click with me on the writing level. So, sorry about that Mr. Underhill!

Veovis - 05 November 2021 03:51 PM

………seriously I have a hard time understanding how anyone can consider this a good game, even taking into account taste, subjectivity, to each his own etc.

As the sum of some weaker parts, I’m not sure that I do consider the game good. But for me the story, the weird atmosphere and the artwork were interesting enough to detract from its less than perfect shortcomings.

I don’t believe that there was any deliberateness on the part of the developers to mislead but the problem is that you have to play for quite a few hours before you realise that the game is not the traditional adventure you’re expecting based on the initial blurb when it was announced.

From that point of view I can understand why a player may feel they’ve been fooled. 

Veovis - 06 November 2021 06:53 AM

Jdawg445 - 05 November 2021 07:18 PM

Veovis - 05 November 2021 06:45 PM

Jdawg445 - 05 November 2021 06:19 PM

As far as everything else goes, you know i ended up not liking gibbious and had serious issues with it, but there is obvious very talented people on your team. I dont see that with saint kotar, there is a reason why so many people are scratching their heads with the glowing reviews some are giving it.

You hit the hammer on the nail here I think. I too did not care for Gibbous but it obviously came from folks who genuinely wanted to and believed they had created something good.

With Saint Kotar I can’t shake the feeling of have being fooled and I regretted having paid for something that the developers’ themselves must have understood not being a commercially viable product. Yet another proof of why these Kickstarter thingies are generally not worth supporting. I don’t anymore (unless it’s for an official Riven upgrade…).

 

Yes, although i think the saint kotar game was not a malicious cash grab at all, just people who had no idea what they were doing but knew what buzzwords to use to sell a game. I never hated the devs, just knew what it would be back in 17 or 18.

I never meant that Saint Kotar is a cash grab or that the devs didn’t genuinely want to create a great game from the beginning, just that it’s clear to me that the devs have cut some serious corners and delivered an end result that makes me feel a bit cheated in relation to the “marketing” they have been doing in this thread. It will be interesting to read professional reviews when they start appearing. Maybe it’s just me.

Reading my post again, I realize my words regarding Gibbous came out harsher than I intended. I indeed didn’t particularly enjoy that game very much, but that was a much more “subjective” feeling compared to Saint Kotar. Gibbous is imo a very well made game that happened not to click with me on the writing level. So, sorry about that Mr. Underhill!

Ok gotcha

Veovis - 06 November 2021 06:53 AM

Jdawg445 - 05 November 2021 07:18 PM

Veovis - 05 November 2021 06:45 PM

Jdawg445 - 05 November 2021 06:19 PM

As far as everything else goes, you know i ended up not liking gibbious and had serious issues with it, but there is obvious very talented people on your team. I dont see that with saint kotar, there is a reason why so many people are scratching their heads with the glowing reviews some are giving it.

You hit the hammer on the nail here I think. I too did not care for Gibbous but it obviously came from folks who genuinely wanted to and believed they had created something good.

With Saint Kotar I can’t shake the feeling of have being fooled and I regretted having paid for something that the developers’ themselves must have understood not being a commercially viable product. Yet another proof of why these Kickstarter thingies are generally not worth supporting. I don’t anymore (unless it’s for an official Riven upgrade…).

 

Yes, although i think the saint kotar game was not a malicious cash grab at all, just people who had no idea what they were doing but knew what buzzwords to use to sell a game. I never hated the devs, just knew what it would be back in 17 or 18.

I never meant that Saint Kotar is a cash grab or that the devs didn’t genuinely want to create a great game from the beginning, just that it’s clear to me that the devs have cut some serious corners and delivered an end result that makes me feel a bit cheated in relation to the “marketing” they have been doing in this thread. It will be interesting to read professional reviews when they start appearing. Maybe it’s just me.

Reading my post again, I realize my words regarding Gibbous came out harsher than I intended. I indeed didn’t particularly enjoy that game very much, but that was a much more “subjective” feeling compared to Saint Kotar. Gibbous is imo a very well made game that happened not to click with me on the writing level. So, sorry about that Mr. Underhill!

Here is the only professional review I have found yet, gave it a two out of five.

https://moviesgamesandtech.com/2021/11/07/review-saint-kotar/

I think you’ll find that’s a four out of ten. (That’s two points more than you said! Why are you hating on the devs?)

Jdawg445 - 07 November 2021 07:27 AM

Here is the only professional review I have found yet, gave it a two out of five.

https://moviesgamesandtech.com/2021/11/07/review-saint-kotar/

With the risk of making it seem like I hate the developers, which I don’t, I think the review is pretty much spot on, even though it fails to mention the “NPC:s talking from behind windows or doors” thing that I found to be such an annoying and obviously deliberate bad design choice.

Also have to question how a reviewer can give a game 4/10 (or 2/5 for that matter…:)) after having found pretty much nothing good to say about the game in the review and concluding that “I couldn’t recommend Saint Kotar to anyone” and “it was a struggle to continue playing”. What does it take to receive a 1-3/10 from that site?

Luhr28 - 07 November 2021 08:52 AM

I think you’ll find that’s a four out of ten. (That’s two points more than you said! Why are you hating on the devs?)

Lol nope not touching that with a 10 foot pole

Veovis - 07 November 2021 09:31 AM

Jdawg445 - 07 November 2021 07:27 AM

Here is the only professional review I have found yet, gave it a two out of five.

https://moviesgamesandtech.com/2021/11/07/review-saint-kotar/

With the risk of making it seem like I hate the developers, which I don’t, I think the review is pretty much spot on, even though it fails to mention the “NPC:s talking from behind windows or doors” thing that I found to be such an annoying and obviously deliberate bad design choice.

Also have to question how a reviewer can give a game 4/10 (or 2/5 for that matter…:)) after having found pretty much nothing good to say about the game in the review and concluding that “I couldn’t recommend Saint Kotar to anyone” and “it was a struggle to continue playing”. What does it take to receive a 1-3/10 from that site?

As mr underhill said i think most reviewers grade indie titles on a curve in general.

I think this is funny. Just now I searched for “Saint Kotar Reviews” and in the results next to Adventure Gamers it says:

What our readers think of Saint Kotar · Uninteresting, badly designed, unfinished, unpolished, broken, buggy and not making much sense. · An Instant Classic!

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