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QTEs in Shenmue aren’t puzzles, it’s a reflex challenge not a thinking challenge. You aren’t thinking of a solution, you’re quite literally given the button to press and the challenge is how quickly you can react. By this logic Dance Dance Revolution is a puzzle game.
Puzzle actually doesn’t always mean thinking challenge, it also means using skills, although that use of the word is a bit rare.
When I was writing for the (now defunct) online gamezine, there was no section for rhythm games, they were, as shocking as it may be, put into puzzle games category.
But obviously no one here is really seeing this from a different perspective, so let’s leave it, and drop it. At least we got some good discussion out of Shenmue. 
Anyone have any other interesting suggestions for an epic adventure, or something like adventure game, to take the discussion into new direction?
I consider the word epic meaning more than just awesome, but not just describing a literal epic.
I was describing my experience of playing the game being epic. It feels like a grand experience, fills me with awe, has something unique and surprising, and feels like a journey.
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Well put.
has trouble discerning what’s sarcasm.
Sarcasm is frowned upon.
Puzzle actually doesn’t always mean thinking challenge, it also means using skills, although that use of the word is a bit rare.
When I was writing for the (now defunct) online gamezine, there was no section for rhythm games, they were, as shocking as it may be, put into puzzle games category.
Why do you want to include “skills”? What is the advantage of having such broad categories? People will still want to discriminate between dexterity and logic puzzles.
I consider the word epic meaning more than just awesome, but not just describing a literal epic.
I was describing my experience of playing the game being epic. It feels like a grand experience, fills me with awe, has something unique and surprising, and feels like a journey.
Yes, that’s what it meant for me too. The Witness was an awe-some journey for me. But then I felt I’d misunderstood the purpose of this thread. And now I don’t know what to think. Oh well…
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Epic and awesome can mean all sorts of things, I think Charophycean meant we could take the term and roll with it.
Riven is pretty epic: the attraction-park style modes of transportation, discovering different worlds, creatures, weird metaphysics and technology - it’s pretty awesome. But I mostly thought of the ending.
Thread is so far off track from the original concept. Suggest an admin delete everything after the OP and we can try again to decide what makes an Epic game.
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they toll for thee.
I consider the word epic meaning more than just awesome, but not just describing a literal epic.
I was describing my experience of playing the game being epic. It feels like a grand experience, fills me with awe, has something unique and surprising, and feels like a journey.
Yes, that’s what it meant for me too. The Witness was an awe-some journey for me. But then I felt I’d misunderstood the purpose of this thread. And now I don’t know what to think. Oh well…
Far be it for me to tell you what to think, it’s wonderful that we can have such different experiences and interpretations of them. And I really appreciate hearing about them. I’ll look at The Witness and Edna & Harvey (two of my most loved games) with different eyes next time I play them.
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Well put.
Yeah, I figured as much lol and it seems to me you have quite a few war stories to tell.
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And I don’t see why there’s a need to delete it as @rtrooney suggested.
No and that won’t happen. A thread may get locked in the case of overheated arguments but I’ve never seen a thread disappear.
Far be it for me to tell you what to think, it’s wonderful that we can have such different experiences and interpretations of them.
It might just be my confusion over the meaning of the word “epic”. It does have a much more objective feeling to it than “awesome”.
And I really appreciate hearing about them. I’ll look at The Witness and Edna & Harvey (two of my most loved games) with different eyes next time I play them.
I only replay games I truly love. I was determined to find all the unique reponses in Edna. And I’m currently replaying parts of The Witness. As impressive as it was 6 years ago.
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Epic is what happened in Resonance. I can’t say more without spoilers.
Edit: if you are playing an adventure game, and something happens, and you must say WTF all loud, that’s epic for me.
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I think of ‘epic’ in the literal terms. Either someone taking up a monumental, world-changing task (Like lord of the rings) or a dynasty spanning several generations changing the world in their wake (Like star-wars).
That means that there is no real correlation between quality and epic. Star wars is epic, star trek is not. But I would certainly prefer to spend my time with the latter as I find it much more interesting and entertaining the former.
Can’t really think of many games that fit into the this definition of ‘epic’ though. Most just focus on a relatively small task, such as solving a murder mystery or finding a hidden treasure. Nothing really ‘epic’ about either.
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Edit: if you are playing an adventure game, and something happens, and you must say WTF all loud, that’s epic for me.
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Now I finally understand why some people consider Gabriel Knight 2: The Beast Within as an epic game.
Epic is what happened in Resonance. I can’t say more without spoilers.
Yes, amazing and memorable. No real spoilers but I’ll use the tags anyway. I immediately went back to check dialogues/monologues and everything made perfect sense. Great design. Great game.
Butter my buns and call me a biscuit! - Agent A
Epic is what happened in Resonance. I can’t say more without spoilers.
Yes, amazing and memorable. No real spoilers but I’ll use the tags anyway. I immediately went back to check dialogues/monologues and everything made perfect sense. Great design. Great game.
If you mean the first plot twist, I saw it coming. Well, maybe not in its entirety, but I figured out that the main dude was an unreliable narrator, and I was really reluctant helping him, especially handing over the gun.
Wadjet Eye games have good twists. They’re consistent and not cheap. There are plenty of hints, so the player often does suspect something is going on, but might not really grasp the truth yet.
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