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Time for me to post “a few” extra screenshots from the last two parts:

Wakie Wakie!

We have apparently reached the sea.

The Chief - Now lets explore the village:

I can’t tell you how many times I tried to climb those stairs

Or how long it took me to find all the right hotspots here

Our old friend the Youki

I thought the expression was “grow on trees” or perhaps “grow as algae”?

Mammoths frozen in ice.

Is it just me, or does that cave look like a distorted face?

End of the line.

I think that was the whole village, it is really quite large - and beautiful!

Now we are done with exploring the place, it is time to solve some puzzles:

The berries we need.

The Harfang - and with a few more tricks, we have the berries.

Double, double toil and trouble; Fire burn, and caldron bubble…

And we are back in Valadilene - This time in sepia!

The mammoth toy.

Hmmm.. I’m not sure that is how I would describe Oscar, perhaps too much discipline and method, and too little free thinking is a more accurate description - Perhaps Hans’s father’s influence?

I don’t think we were ever inside the house, apart from the attic, in the first game.

Watch your temper Kate .. He is not actually here, it is just Hans’s memory/dream.

Solving the clock puzzle actually took me quite a long time, for some reason I kept over-thinking it, and making it more complicated than it actually is

Finally he leaves.

I love how Hans keeps alternating between the young boy and the old man.

A key question imo.

We are not completely done with New York yet.

I’m not sure she would pass a class in logic with that argument, but it seems to work on the Youkol.

Mentioned this earlier - And this is also the last we hear from New York!

To me he seem determined to fulfil his destiny, regardless of the consequences for himself.

Kate seems shocked!

And perhaps a bit bitter at Hans!
Had she known what would happen, or had she had a say in this, then I’m not convinced that she would have chosen to sacrifice Oscar to keep Hans alive for just a little longer.

Defrosting the boat - Not using any nasty chemicals of course, only steam.

And off we go.

     

Iznogood - 26 September 2015 11:11 AM

Is it just me, or does that cave look like a distorted face?

That’s the second biggest… no, wait, that IS the biggest monkey head I’ve ever seen.

So Guybrush was in the Youkol village before he wanted to be a pirate?

     

I believe that Oscar was a plan ‘B’ for Hans - only to be used if his health failed and he could not reach Syberia any other way.

As nice as it would be to have Syberia 3 be similar to the previous Syberia games, I feel with the use of 3D backgrounds and the new plot focus, we’d prepared for an almost completely new game experience.

     

I am now at the stage where I think I can re-install the game. No clue as to the save game status. Regardless, I am far behind everyone. Computer glitches are horrible, but getting up and running again with things that affect life takes priority over games.

I did continue to participate per Izzy’s request. But that participation was based solely on my recollections from the last time I played the game. So most, if not all of my comments regarding Hans’ culpability for Oscar’s demise; or my opinion of Oscar being a sentient being; or Hans’ emotional maturity v. his intellectual progress; or what I think of Kate’s participation in the final act…..may not accurately reflect what my feelings will be when I finish the game this time. I doubt that they will differ much, but there’s always that chance. I will let you know.

I’m pretty sure the thread will be unpinned soon. Certainly before I finish the game. I will try to post to it until I’m done.

     

I would like to thank Iznogood for leading us through this CPT. - the conversations about the sections of the game that I found shocking helped me look at them in ways I would have never thought of on my own.

Although I originally played this game when it was first released and only could recall a few parts of the game - playing the game for this CPT was almost like playing it for the first time.

Needless to say, I’m looking forward to our next CPT!

     

And now for the part 5 screenshots:

Well there’s your problem - The anchor is suppose to stay inboards when sailing!

And we are free to sail again .. well that was a quick intermezzo!

Damn it! I knew he wasn’t so easy to get rid of.

On thin ice!

On drifting ice!

Luckily, once again, the currents help us and tugs the iceberg towards the ship, and not out to open sea.

Raise the sail, and Ivan gets a little catapult trip

Perhaps messing with penguins eggs are not the best idea in the world!

I can’t bear to watch.

Told you so - Well at least that should be the last we hear of Ivan.

And with that little intermezzo, the trip continues towards Syberia.

Another living being - Perhaps he can explain a lot of things to us?

Scratch that - he is dead as a mammoth dodo, and has been for a long time.
(I wonder if there is also living dodo’s here on this island?)

Seem like the main décor theme here is mammoth tusks.

On my last playthrough I missed this hotspot - not this time though.

More tusks.

For gods sake man! You can’t just sit there and wait for Kate to solve all the problems. This is your childhood dream, show a bit of initiative!

Time for the youki to earn its pay fish .. eh .. that reminds me we haven’t actually fed it in a while, have we

And of he goes without a single word - this is starting to get a bit annoying, though I know that that is just the way he is .. but still, a “thank you” would have been nice.

For gods sake man! You can’t just sit there and wait for Kate to solve all the problems. This is your childhood dream .. Oh, why do I bother, obviously he is just going to let Kate do all the work.

A nice little puzzle..

.. and there be music.

Waiting.

Waiting.

There Be Mammoths!

My favourite screenshot from this part.

Not often we see Kate smile.

Goodbye Hans.

The End!


And that also concludes my official duty as playthrough leader

Though I’m sure there is still plenty to discuss, I would also like to use this opportunity to thank everybody who has participated in this CPT, not just for participating, but also for the many interesting posts, different views and interpretations of the game.

     

Thanks for leading the playthrough, Izno.

It certainly was interesting to read everybody’s different interpretations in this game.

Syberia III CPT next year?

     

Becky - 27 September 2015 09:27 PM

Izno—thanks for leading the playthrough. It was great!

Iznogood - 26 September 2015 11:11 AM

Had she known what would happen, or had she had a say in this, then I’m not convinced that she would have chosen to sacrifice Oscar to keep Hans alive for just a little longer.

This is a very good question. My take on it—Kate would NOT have sacrificed Oscar. The game would have ended with Kate and Oscar in Syberia and Kate riding a mammoth while Oscar scolded the youki.

There used to be a television show in the US called Marcus Welby, M.D. There was a running joke about the “Welby” diagnosis procedure. Patient would come in and complain that his arm hurt whenever he moved it in a certain way. The doctor’s cure/treatment was to tell the patient to not move his arm that way.

The same thing is happening here. If Kate had not experienced the dream, or if Hans had not designed Oscar with this unfortunate capability. Or if Hans had not fallen from the cliff, which as an event, precipitated everything that followed.

It’s like Welby saying don’t inhabit the dream. Or him telling Hans not to climb the rock. Or telling Hans not to design Oscar that way. And if you don’t do any of this, all will be fine.

Except all of that did happen. And my reluctance to believe in the dream sequence aside, there was nothing that any of them could do to change the inevitable.

I would postulate that everything that happened was preordained once Kate got on the train.

     

rtrooney - 27 September 2015 10:06 PM

I would postulate that everything that happened was preordained once Kate got on the train.

I can agree to this from a narrative point of view, i.e. the game/story played out and ended the only way it really could end, but if we look at it from a real world perspective, then many other things could just as well have happened instead. So examining these other possibilities, for example what Kate would have done if the circumstances were a slight bit different, or how it would have ended if we change this little detail, is also a valid exercise and it can even help us better understand why it did end as it did.

If I had the time and energy to do so, then it could even but fun to write some alternative versions of this story, for example what would have happened if Kate hadn’t jumped on the train, what would have happened to Kate? Would Hans and Oscar have been able to make the journey on their own? How about if Boris hadn’t crash-landed when and where he did, would Kate still have been able to save Hans, or would Ivan sort of have taken over the role of helping Hans to get to Syberia, even though his motives was different than Kate’s?

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Becky - 27 September 2015 09:27 PM

This is a very good question. My take on it—Kate would NOT have sacrificed Oscar. The game would have ended with Kate and Oscar in Syberia and Kate riding a mammoth while Oscar scolded the youki.

I don’t think that Kate would have mounted the mammoth and rode into the horizon herself, that simply conflicts too much with how I see this last scene as a death metaphor. But I do agree that Kate and Oscar would have continued towards Syberia on their own and ended up seeing the mammoths.

     

Iznogood - 28 September 2015 11:28 AM

I can agree to this from a narrative point of view, i.e. the game/story played out and ended the only way it really could end, but if we look at it from a real world perspective, then many other things could just as well have happened instead.

I agree with that. Unfortunately, we don’t have the ability to enter the game and re-write the code to cover all the “what if?” scenarios. Maybe one day games will be designed with that capability. E.g., we re-write the code in the first game so that when Kate does the final assembly on Oscar she removes the features that would allow Oscar to save Hans. Why not? She hasn’t even met Hans yet. She has no vested interest in his survival.

Which means that Hans will die in the Yokul village because Oscar is not equipped to save him. And then Kate and Oscar will do whatever they will do. End of game. And then somebody will say “Then that’s Kate playing God with Hans’ life by depriving him of the life-saving equipment he designed!”. And the conversational trail will turn again.

So yes, my statement comes from the game’s narrative. It’s what Sokol wrote! It’s his game and we can’t change it to suit our own moral perspective no matter how much we might like to.

I think we can certainly disagree on certain issues within the game. Is Oscar a sentient being? Are Hans or Kate good or bad people for taking the actions they did? And we have disagreed on these.

Takling the various “what ifs” from a real world perspective could be a lot of fun. Futile, but a lot of fun. In the end Will Oscar will still be dead? Will Hans will still be riding off atop a mammoth? And will Kate still be stranded with no future to go to. and no past to return to. I’m not sure I’m capable of writing a “what if” scenario that provides for a happy conclusion.

I’m reminded of a hypothetical situation where a salesman asks a customer whether he would like his service done good, done fast or done cheap. And then he tells the customer he can only chose two! Because he can’t have all three. E.g. you can have it good and you can have it fast. But that will come at a price, so it won’t be cheap.

Can all three survive at the end of the game. Well we know the answer to that, We can only chose two.

And we still wait for Syberia III, in hopes that all unresolved issues will be resolved. It’s been a long wait.