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i am not talking about underrated games or their copies sold-out figures, not at all, i am talking Grim Fandango, i.e.

can ye help me out here, because my memory doesn’t serve well right at the moment?

Definitely A Mind Forever Voyaging. I would say The Experiment as well. Blue Ice?

I think with something like Dear Esther there was a backlash as well, people were not used to engaging with a game in that way. It was completely different to what we were used to, but now there are loads of games done in a similar way.

Phlebas - 27 April 2018 05:09 AM

My nomination? Azrael’s Tear.

would care to explain how phlebas? i read its a kinda game that looks like Myst clone, but then everything turns counterintuitive.

I myself nominate Manhunter! the slide show the trio/Murry’s had pulled was ahead of Myst’s. and the 1st person/mouse perspective and control compo too.
yeah i know that Manhunter wasn’t the first first-person Adventure** but don’t tell me (anyone) that it had sorta effect over the Miller’s.
i am not a very strong hunter of their interviews, but i would be surprised if they had never mentioned it!!

Phlebas - 27 April 2018 06:39 AM

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It had its flaws - the combat was weak, it was too easy to die or get stuck, and the machine requirements were high so it tended to run jerkily. But what it tried to do was years ahead of its time.

thanks, Phlebas for explaining.

i think we shan’t be looking at flaws, the evolution of the genre was based the pros of each step of the way, based always on some games pushing the limit (risking it of confidently) and being ahead ..., Roberta established the graphics over something that was ahead of its time, LucasArt pushed the interactive scope ahead ... and then, this.. and.. that, until there was nuthing else to be given?.. Nah! there is/was/will be adventure ahead of its time, some recognized or even cherished and some have remained lonely! or slipped out of the race of evolution whether there came a time when some dev used it as stepping stone or this time ain’t happening whether because its risk (many successful games were a risk that boomed well than expected, Myst one of them) or it just went over their head..but then who knows. did the spot revealer inventor know how crucial it would be for AGs that came later on, at least for some long period of time?)

i think there are 100s of “things?” where you can say “if it wasnt for that, this would not have happened”, but simply those which were never recognized or forgotten are the matter here, i feel its an important tell of those “touches?” that isnt recognized for what they were, simply (again and again) a company that is ruling now; ttg, over a game or games that was/were ahead of it. but ttg, of course, is not the issue here because most know where they came from and which stepping stones they used, but others that were never credited or recognized for what they were/are, i must say its crucial that we spot them (games).

Oscar - 27 April 2018 08:13 AM

Maupiti Island still goes over my head, 28 years later.

Text adventures are a very a rich source of “ahead of their time” discussion but I don’t know if anyone is interested in talking about them here, since they are barely covered on the site.

you cant stop your sarcasm. it doesnt matter if it went over your* head, or you might be giving me an english lesson.

text adventure cant be a subject here, because, it the stepping stone to everything (hear gary oldman voice in your ears, please), plus later Infocom and Sierra didnt let it pass as a lonely experiment.

sanitarium scope’ bird’s-eye view went over the devs head for almost 2 decades until The Brotherhood decided its time they themselves use it as a stepping stone to give Stasis,  and if they didnt, it would have been yet over the head of all the developers and designers and genre itself. (i wish really i had more vocabulary to tell of the matter i am into here, but that is sadly is all that i have)

there must be yet other matters similar that were the root of others success, or yet still over our head

Oscar - 28 April 2018 05:07 PM

Advie - 28 April 2018 03:26 PM

text adventure cant be a subject here, because, it the stepping stone to everything (hear gary oldman voice in your ears, please), plus Sierra didnt let pass it as a lonely experiment.

I don’t know what you mean about Sierra. They never had anything to do with text adventures.

Interactive fiction has always been and still is a very experimental genre, constantly challenging what can be done within the medium. Dismissing it as a “stepping stone” to graphic adventures is doing it and AGs as a whole a big disservice.

have you read Sierra, and dismissed everything

Edit: i see where is the misunderstanding coming from; ‘plus’ here i didnt mean to make it rule ‘everything’ where now i see as the phrasing right would give that impression,  ‘everything’/text adventures has to do with many and most genres from action to RPGs and others, with are thousands of thousands of ideas and tropes, whereas plus i meant the companies that carrid adventure gaming later and yet they were text adventures from sierra and Infocom carried on. i fixed it.

Would you say Normality by Gremlin Interactive? Noble attempt at a first-person adventure game with a sense of humour but I feel like the only one who cared that this game existed.

thejobloshow - 29 April 2018 02:55 AM

Would you say Normality by Gremlin Interactive? Noble attempt at a first-person adventure game with a sense of humour but I feel like the only one who cared that this game existed.

It was a very dumb game. And the graphics were the same or worse than Under a Killing Moon which was released 2 years earlier.

Oscar - 28 April 2018 05:07 PM

I don’t know what you mean about Sierra. They never had anything to do with text adventures.

 

I’d call all the games in Sierra Hi-Res series as text adventures. Sure, they don’t have much of a parser, but they still are text adventures with graphics. You can even turn the graphics off and settle on the text only.

tomimt - 29 April 2018 05:32 PM

Oscar - 28 April 2018 05:07 PM

I don’t know what you mean about Sierra. They never had anything to do with text adventures.

 

I’d call all the games in Sierra Hi-Res series as text adventures. Sure, they don’t have much of a parser, but they still are text adventures with graphics. You can even turn the graphics off and settle on the text only.

cheers, tomimt as this is what i was trying to say when i mentioned sierra (that hasnt anything with my luv for it), is how sierra (and other devs) even the graphics evolution which is only an eventual evolution from the core pure text games that was invented at the mid-70s, and just carried on.

i guess its something inventable when mentioning colossal cave that you mean the first spark at the begging of computers to interduce gaming* with 6-bit-byte or close to people , and its an honor to adventure gaming no doubt.