Serenity NOW! - Page 3

Starflux · 12-11-2005, 02:46 PM

I liked the movie a lot, but there were a few things I found puzzling, or lacking. At times there was still too much of a tv-mentality going on where they would say stuff was happening instead of showing it (where showing it would have meant a great deal more in this case; I'm talking about a bit at the ending), and the

Spoiler:
unprovoked killing of a major character that had a vital function in the synergy of the team was of course uncalled for, unnecessary and far too random. There's just no reason other than trying to be edgy and 'unpredictable'. And that's a shame, because the writing is so good it could've have handled a little more clichéd narrative in that aspect.

Huz · 12-11-2005, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucien21

It has been on the Sci-Fi UK channel tons of times.

Just not on poor mans telly (terrestial)

Ah, I think the last programme I watched on Sci-Fi was that John Doe thing! What a great (bizarre) series - it made so little sense that after the final episode, they had a competition where the best explanation of what the hell it was all about would win!

And to Flux...

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I agree, the death of that one major character (ok, double spoiler space, Wash) was completely pointless. As a viewer who had only seen the film at the time, I didn't really care because he hadn't had enough screen-time for me to gain an emotional attachment to him. If I had seen Firefly first, it would have bothered me more, but then it would have seemed incredibly arbitrary. All in all, I'm not sure why they did it!

Maquisard · 12-11-2005, 08:03 PM

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It ramped up the tension. Towards the end of the movie, every single character was injured, and in danger of dying. Someone had to die to give emotional depth to those scenes, so you'd be thinking "who's gonna go next?" as opposed to "whatever, just get on with it". I didn't like the choice, but I understand why it was made, and I think it made for a better movie, overall.

*Melanie68* · 12-11-2005, 09:07 PM

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I had never seen the series at all before I watched the movie and the death still made me cry. I liked him.

scribeswindow · 12-11-2005, 09:16 PM

Over in Australia, channel seven which bought the rights to Firefly decided to show it at midnight!! There was absolutely no attempt to treat this show with the respect it deserved. Anyway, I was lucky enought to view all the episodes that were made recently, and I must now go and watch this movie. Albeit, on DVD. But better viewing this than nothing.

Starflux · 12-12-2005, 01:57 AM

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You do have a point, Huz. If that character wouldn't have died, we wouldn't REALLY have felt there was something at stake. Point taken. But I still lament it, because Wash was the main wellspring of comic relief. And seeing as where Firefly is going, it could have needed that. Who's going to go play the disgruntled husband now? Simon?

Karmillo · 12-12-2005, 12:37 PM

I kinda had mixed feelings about that scene..

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He was getting a bit annoying with that "I am a leaf in the wind, watch how I soar" thing, he said it like five time then half way through his last time he got impaled and i was like "Finaly, that shut him up"
....then i realised he was really getting killed off
and shepard aswell...ive only seen a couple of episodes of firefly so i know he was a main character aswell. although the movie wouldnt have been as good as it was without those deaths

By the way...I heard that Joss wanted to make a series of firefly movies...dont know if that was true or not though

Phantom · 12-13-2005, 09:12 AM

I liked the movie, but not that much. I actually liked Chronicles Of Riddick more, and those two movies are kinda similar.

The storyline of Serenity also reminded me a lot of Starcraft:

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alliance = confederacy
getrainde psychics = ghosts
reavers = zerg
River Tam = Kerrigan

Starflux · 12-13-2005, 02:36 PM

Wow, I think I disagree with just about everything you said. I love the Chronicles of Riddick but am hard pressed to find more than the most passing of resemblances. And Starcraft is totally different as well, both in story as in setup. A totalitarian government is an archetypical element in science fiction. And in all respects, Starcraft is so token that it's not hard to copy, but Serenity... just isn't doing it. Serenity is far more a beast of its own. If anything, it resembles stuff like... Starwars, in its thematic romance. Starcraft itself is -just like Warcraft- almost a carbon copy of Games Workshop Warhammer races, by the way. Not that I like it any less because of it.

Kolzig · 01-13-2006, 12:42 AM

http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/serenity3.html

Details about the R2 Serenity dvd release have been announced, the R2 cover art looks excellent compared to the R1, I guess I'll have to buy this one too!

Maquisard · 01-13-2006, 01:47 AM

Is R2 the English release? The one with the extra extra features? I want it!

Kolzig · 01-13-2006, 01:57 AM

Yeah, R2 is the ~~english~~ European release with the extra documentary.

Starflux · 01-13-2006, 02:10 AM

What was the R1 cover?

Kolzig · 01-13-2006, 03:57 AM

This:

Starflux · 01-13-2006, 04:40 AM

Disgusting how generic they can make things sound exactly by proclaiming something is "the ultimate action adventure".

I'm not negatively predisposed towards this cover however. It's more ,,WAR!!" than the other and a bit less Firefly, but still nice. Somehow reminds me of The Chronicles of Riddick.

Kolzig · 01-13-2006, 07:35 AM

Yeah, the first thing that came to my mind about that cover was Riddick too.
I guess it was because of those brown/red colors on the lower half.

Lucien21 · 01-13-2006, 10:20 AM

The cover is hideous. It's shiney as hell, Any kind of light near it and you can hardly make out the cover.

Karmillo · 01-13-2006, 10:25 AM

I like the way the name is though, it would have good if it was that design, but the Reigon 2 font on the reigon 2 cover

but yeah, the US cover baisicly looks like it was done by someone who sat in 2 classes of basic photoshop and saw themselves as an "artiste"

RLacey · 01-13-2006, 10:29 AM

Maybe I should buy that Firefly pack and see what all the fuss is actually about

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*Melanie68* · 01-13-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RLacey

Maybe I should buy that Firefly pack and see what all the fuss is actually about

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I got the complete series pack for Christmas (it was a belated present from my Aunt and Uncle). I haven't popped it in yet. I had never seen Firefly but then saw the movie and thought I'd give it a go.

12-11-2005, 02:46 PM	#41
Starflux A Servicable Villain Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: the ocean spire Posts: 1,730	I liked the movie a lot, but there were a few things I found puzzling, or lacking. At times there was still too much of a tv-mentality going on where they would say stuff was happening instead of showing it (where showing it would have meant a great deal more in this case; I'm talking about a bit at the ending), and the Spoiler: unprovoked killing of a major character that had a vital function in the synergy of the team was of course uncalled for, unnecessary and far too random. There's just no reason other than trying to be edgy and 'unpredictable'. And that's a shame, because the writing is so good it could've have handled a little more clichéd narrative in that aspect. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Visit my webcomic Captain August!

12-11-2005, 08:03 PM	#43
Maquisard Citizen of Bizarro World Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Htrae Posts: 4,219	Spoiler: It ramped up the tension. Towards the end of the movie, every single character was injured, and in danger of dying. Someone had to die to give emotional depth to those scenes, so you'd be thinking "who's gonna go next?" as opposed to "whatever, just get on with it". I didn't like the choice, but I understand why it was made, and I think it made for a better movie, overall. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ By no rocket’s blue shade am no shells dead down there, Gave no proof all day long that the flag was unwhere! No say does am spar-strangled shroud hang limply! Under land of no free! Am us home coward-leeee! ~Excerpt from the Bizarro Anthem

12-11-2005, 09:07 PM	#44
Melanie68 Super Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 8,907	Spoiler: I had never seen the series at all before I watched the movie and the death still made me cry. I liked him. Share Share this post on Twitter

12-11-2005, 09:16 PM	#45
scribeswindow scribeswindow Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Australia Posts: 59	Over in Australia, channel seven which bought the rights to Firefly decided to show it at midnight!! There was absolutely no attempt to treat this show with the respect it deserved. Anyway, I was lucky enought to view all the episodes that were made recently, and I must now go and watch this movie. Albeit, on DVD. But better viewing this than nothing. Share Share this post on Twitter

12-12-2005, 01:57 AM	#46
Starflux A Servicable Villain Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: the ocean spire Posts: 1,730	Spoiler: You do have a point, Huz. If that character wouldn't have died, we wouldn't REALLY have felt there was something at stake. Point taken. But I still lament it, because Wash was the main wellspring of comic relief. And seeing as where Firefly is going, it could have needed that. Who's going to go play the disgruntled husband now? Simon? Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Visit my webcomic Captain August!

12-12-2005, 12:37 PM	#47
Karmillo woof Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NOT REALLY RIGHT HERE Posts: 4,750	I kinda had mixed feelings about that scene.. Spoiler: He was getting a bit annoying with that "I am a leaf in the wind, watch how I soar" thing, he said it like five time then half way through his last time he got impaled and i was like "Finaly, that shut him up" ....then i realised he was really getting killed off and shepard aswell...ive only seen a couple of episodes of firefly so i know he was a main character aswell. although the movie wouldnt have been as good as it was without those deaths By the way...I heard that Joss wanted to make a series of firefly movies...dont know if that was true or not though Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ "I've got nothing to lose! Except for...well everything."

12-13-2005, 09:12 AM	#48
Phantom Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Belgium Posts: 466	I liked the movie, but not that much. I actually liked Chronicles Of Riddick more, and those two movies are kinda similar. The storyline of Serenity also reminded me a lot of Starcraft: Spoiler: alliance = confederacy getrainde psychics = ghosts reavers = zerg River Tam = Kerrigan Share Share this post on Twitter

12-13-2005, 02:36 PM	#49
Starflux A Servicable Villain Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: the ocean spire Posts: 1,730	Wow, I think I disagree with just about everything you said. I love the Chronicles of Riddick but am hard pressed to find more than the most passing of resemblances. And Starcraft is totally different as well, both in story as in setup. A totalitarian government is an archetypical element in science fiction. And in all respects, Starcraft is so token that it's not hard to copy, but Serenity... just isn't doing it. Serenity is far more a beast of its own. If anything, it resembles stuff like... Starwars, in its thematic romance. Starcraft itself is -just like Warcraft- almost a carbon copy of Games Workshop Warhammer races, by the way. Not that I like it any less because of it. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Visit my webcomic Captain August!

01-13-2006, 12:42 AM	#50
Kolzig The Reggienator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vaasa, Finland Posts: 5,519	http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/serenity3.html Details about the R2 Serenity dvd release have been announced, the R2 cover art looks excellent compared to the R1, I guess I'll have to buy this one too! Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ "The old standby, that never got old in the first place. We come back to them weekly, nightly, for hours at a time--and they always deliver. They are pure, timeless, and often taken for granted." - Nick Breckon - Shacknews My gamesale list updated 26.8.2007 Hey, dear people please buy my games, I need money to conquer Europe! Or do something similar.

01-13-2006, 01:47 AM	#51
Maquisard Citizen of Bizarro World Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Htrae Posts: 4,219	Is R2 the English release? The one with the extra extra features? I want it! Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ By no rocket’s blue shade am no shells dead down there, Gave no proof all day long that the flag was unwhere! No say does am spar-strangled shroud hang limply! Under land of no free! Am us home coward-leeee! ~Excerpt from the Bizarro Anthem

01-13-2006, 01:57 AM	#52
Kolzig The Reggienator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vaasa, Finland Posts: 5,519	Yeah, R2 is the ~~english~~ European release with the extra documentary. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ "The old standby, that never got old in the first place. We come back to them weekly, nightly, for hours at a time--and they always deliver. They are pure, timeless, and often taken for granted." - Nick Breckon - Shacknews My gamesale list updated 26.8.2007 Hey, dear people please buy my games, I need money to conquer Europe! Or do something similar. Last edited by Kolzig; 01-13-2006 at 03:58 AM.

01-13-2006, 02:10 AM	#53
Starflux A Servicable Villain Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: the ocean spire Posts: 1,730	What was the R1 cover? Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Visit my webcomic Captain August!

01-13-2006, 03:57 AM	#54
Kolzig The Reggienator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vaasa, Finland Posts: 5,519	This: Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ "The old standby, that never got old in the first place. We come back to them weekly, nightly, for hours at a time--and they always deliver. They are pure, timeless, and often taken for granted." - Nick Breckon - Shacknews My gamesale list updated 26.8.2007 Hey, dear people please buy my games, I need money to conquer Europe! Or do something similar.

01-13-2006, 04:40 AM	#55
Starflux A Servicable Villain Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: the ocean spire Posts: 1,730	Disgusting how generic they can make things sound exactly by proclaiming something is "the ultimate action adventure". I'm not negatively predisposed towards this cover however. It's more ,,WAR!!" than the other and a bit less Firefly, but still nice. Somehow reminds me of The Chronicles of Riddick. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Visit my webcomic Captain August!

01-13-2006, 07:35 AM	#56
Kolzig The Reggienator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vaasa, Finland Posts: 5,519	Yeah, the first thing that came to my mind about that cover was Riddick too. I guess it was because of those brown/red colors on the lower half. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ "The old standby, that never got old in the first place. We come back to them weekly, nightly, for hours at a time--and they always deliver. They are pure, timeless, and often taken for granted." - Nick Breckon - Shacknews My gamesale list updated 26.8.2007 Hey, dear people please buy my games, I need money to conquer Europe! Or do something similar.

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01-13-2006, 10:20 AM	#57
Lucien21 Psychonaut Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 5,114	The cover is hideous. It's shiney as hell, Any kind of light near it and you can hardly make out the cover. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ I'm not insane, my mother had me tested!

01-13-2006, 10:25 AM	#58
Karmillo woof Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NOT REALLY RIGHT HERE Posts: 4,750	I like the way the name is though, it would have good if it was that design, but the Reigon 2 font on the reigon 2 cover but yeah, the US cover baisicly looks like it was done by someone who sat in 2 classes of basic photoshop and saw themselves as an "artiste" Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ "I've got nothing to lose! Except for...well everything."

01-13-2006, 10:29 AM	#59
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