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Old 07-31-2011, 10:04 PM   #1
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There are so many awesome adventure games to play, and they keep getting released. There is simply not enough time to play them all immediately. Some I won’t get to for weeks, months, years, or even ever. In the past I would decide on and prioritize what games to play next based on how much I think I would enjoy each game. However, I can’t do that anymore since my personal list of “must play NOW” games is humungous. There are copious amounts of adventure games that I know I will love, and I will definitely not have enough time to even play a fraction of them in the next year, even though I have a lot of free time. Therefore, I have to plan the order based on each game’s difficulty, and to some extent, length.

I think a lot of you fall into the same boat of not having enough time to play all of the adventure games you want to play. When this is the case, I think that many of you, just like me, would rather play easy games than get stuck a million times playing difficult games. For me, easy and long games are the absolute best (like Lost Horizon). That was a great game! It was very easy and I never got stuck once. There was hotspot finder, great puzzles, interesting characters, captivating environments, and the entire game felt like a dream vacation.

I would like to develop a master list of how hard everyone thinks each game is, based on a scale from 1 to 10, and then average everyone’s scores together. I would also like to add gameplay hours into the list too. Give a 1-3 for games that you find extremely easy and that you never got stuck on. Games given 4-6 include games of average difficulty. Games given a 7-9 include hard games that have difficult puzzles. Give a 10 for a game that made if want to rip your hair out (if you even attempted the puzzles) or for a game that you played entirely with a walkthrough. I will also average everyone’s gameplay hours together.

Please list the games you’ve completed and your personal difficulty rating, and an estimation of how long it took to complete the game in the following format:
Game Name (X:Y) (where X is the difficulty rating, on a scale of 1-10, and Y is the number of gameplay hours)
Please only list games that you have COMPLETED.


As for my gameplay hours, you will notice that my stats are way higher than the average player’s. I think this is because (1) I explore the game environment to the extreme and try to experience everything, (2) I get stuck quite a bit in harder games for long periods of time, and (3) I have a hunch that many people under-report their hours of gameplay, including reviewers, and other players in all genres of games. When I estimated my hours of gameplay, I always rounded up, because for some reason, actual hours seem to be longer than estimated hours for me (Steam games showing hours played prove this).

I LOVE games with hotspot finders, and do NOT consider them to be a hint/help/cheat. I use them for every location, even when I’m not stuck, because I hate pixel hunting. I LOVE games with built-in hint systems, even though I try not to use them at all. However, when I’m completely stuck, and “using everything on everything” hasn’t worked, I like using in-game hints. I hate using walkthroughs, because when I use them I feel like I am cheating and don’t get a sense of accomplishment. That’s why I want to find out what games are the easiest, and play those first. :-)

I will start with my lists… there are 4 of them. I will make a second post for this to keep things organized. The lists include practically every game I’ve completed, or want to play. The reason for the 4 lists is as follows:
- Predicted Must-Play Now List: Games that I am dying to play and haven’t started yet. The difficulty and hours are perceived since I’m basing them on what I know about the game. This part of the list is what inspired me to create this thread. I hope someone can inform me about each game’s difficulty and hours.
- Predicted Will Hopefully Play Later List: Similar to above, but these are games that aren’t next on my “games to play” list, but I hope to play them next year, in a few years, or sometime in my life.
- Recent Games List: A list of games that I have completed in 2009-2011. This list is representative of my current adventure game skill level and experience.
- Classic Games List: A list of games that I have completed in 1995-2008. This list is not necessarily representative of my current adventure game skill level and experience, but then again, it might be. Who knows? (Under A Killing Moon was my first adventure game)

Things that caused me to place games on the easier end of the spectrum:
- lack of puzzles, or easy puzzles
- built-in hint system
- hot-spot finder
- helpful mouse cursors
- multiple levels of difficulty
- mostly inventory-based puzzles
- recently released games

Things that caused me to place games on the harder end of the spectrum:
- HARD inventory puzzles
- HARD Myst/Machinarium style, non-inventory puzzles
- Myst-style puzzles where no goal or method to solve is given and trial and error is required
- puzzles that require knowledge outside of the game world
- puzzles that require certain talents (such as NOT being tone-deaf)
- no built-in hints
- pixel hunting
- having to use everything on everything
- poor puzzle design
- un-skippable dialog (makes it annoying to try everything on everything)
- bugs and crashes (Still Life 2 and Law & Order: Criminal Intent)
- games released in the 90s

I do like death in adventure games. I also like timed events (if they are done right). Neither of these aspects usually make a game’s difficulty harder for me. The exception to this involves death in Maniac Mansion and Still Life 2, which did make it harder. I’ve also heard that death in the King’s Quest games make them a lot harder. I prefer the Black Mirror method of how death is handled… when you die, the game goes back to the point right before you died… this is ideal.

Telltale games are NOT on my predicted lists because I consider them to be all 1s in terms of difficulty, and about 5 hours of gameplay per episode. I don’t think I will ever be stuck in a Telltale game again. Since I’ve played all of their games, it’s almost like I can read the minds of the developer’s, so I don’t think I will ever be fooled by any of their puzzles. This is one of the many reasons why I love and play all of their games!

If you’ve completed the games in my Must-Play Now list, please post your difficulty and hours. We can use these lists to help each other find easy/short games, easy/long games, hard/short games, and hard/long games! We can also have discussions about why we rated certain games with certain difficulty ratings. If there’s anything on my list that looks crazy, please leave comments. :-)

Sorry for the long post, so here is the “too long/didn’t read” version:
I want to play easy games first. If you’ve completed the games in my Must-Play Now list, please post your difficulty and hours like this: Game Name (difficulty: hours)
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Old 07-31-2011, 10:16 PM   #2
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My Predicted Must-Play Now List (if you’ve played these, please post!)
Point of View (1:5)
Tender Loving Care (1:5)
Secret Files: Tunguska (1:15)
Secret Files: Puritas Cordis (1:15)
Hamlet (2:4)
Jolly Rover (3:7)
Gemini Rue (3:8)
Gray Matter (3:15)
Alpha Polaris (4:15)
The Next BIG Thing (4:15)
Jack Keane (5:20)
So Blonde (5:20)
A New Beginning (6:25)
Edna & Harvey: The Breakout (9:30)

My Recent Games List (played in 2009-2011)
Sam & Max: The Devil's Playhouse (1:25)
Alter Ego (1:12)
CSI: Fatal Conspiracy (1:10)
CSI: Deadly Intent (1:10)
Lost Horizon (1:17)
Nelson Tethers: Puzzle Agent: The Mystery of Scoggins (1:7)
Wallace & Gromit's Grand Adventures (1:20)
Tales of Monkey Island (1:25)
3 Cards to Midnight (2:8)
3 Cards to Dead Time (2:8)
Duke Nukem Forever (2:20) (okay, not adventure, but I just had to include the best game ever!)
Black Mirror II (3:20)
Casebook (episodes 0-3) (3:20)
Overclocked: A History of Violence (4:17)
Black Mirror III: Final Fear (4:30)
Runaway: A Twist of Fate (4:15)
Secret of Monkey Island: Special Edition, The (4:15)
The Tales of Bingwood: To Save A Princess (5:15)
Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge - Special Edition (5:20)
Day of the Tentacle (6:20)
A Vampyre Story (6:24)
Ceville (6:35)
Ghost Pirates of Vooju Island (6:22)
The Moment of Silence (6:30)
The Whispered World (7:40) (favorite game of 2010)
Machinarium (8:30)
Maniac Mansion Deluxe (9:15)

My Classic Games List (played in 1995-2008)
Bone: Out from Boneville (1:4)
Cold Case Files (1:4)
CSI: Dark Motives (1:10)
CSI: Hard Evidence (1:10)
CSI: Miami (1:10)
CSI: NY (1:10)
Indigo Prophecy (1:12)
CSI: 3 Dimensions of Murder (2:12)
CSI: Crime Scene Investigation (2:12)
Blackstone Chronicles, John Saul's (2:13)
Portal (2:5)
Road to India (3:7)
Bone: The Great Cow Race (3:8)
Law & Order: Justice is Served (3:10)
Phantasmagoria: A Puzzle of Flesh (3:12)
Law & Order II: Double or Nothing (3:13)
NIBIRU: Age of Secrets (3:15)
Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People (3:30)
Full Throttle (4:10)
The Sacret Amulet (Aztec: The Curse in the Heart of the City of Gold) (4:15)
Jack Orlando: A Cinematic Adventure (Director's Cut) (4:15)
Law & Order: Dead on the Money (4:15)
Syberia II (4:17)
Syberia (4:20)
Sam & Max Save the World (Season One) (4:30)
Dark Side of the Moon (5:15)
Broken Sword: The Sleeping Dragon (5:20)
Last Express, The (5:20)
Titanic: Adventure Out Of Time (5:20)
Curse of Monkey Island, The (5:25)
Black Mirror, The (5:30)
Blade Runner (5:30)
Sam & Max Beyond Time and Space (Season Two) (5:35)
Nightlong: Union City Conspiracy (6:15)
Runaway: A Road Adventure (6:15)
Post Mortem (6:15)
Law & Order: Criminal Intent (6:20)
Broken Sword II: The Smoking Mirror (6:25)
Escape From Monkey Island (6:25)
Sanitarium (6:25)
Sam & Max Hit the Road (7:15)
Tex Murphy: Martian Memorandum (7:15)
Midnight Nowhere (7:20)
Phantasmagoria (7:20)
Gabriel Knight 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned (7:25)
Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars (7:30)
Gabriel Knight: The Beast Within (7:30)
Longest Journey, The (7:30)
Atlantis II (Beyond Atlantis) (7:30)
Tex Murphy: Under a Killing Moon (7:35)
Still Life (7:30)
Still Life 2 (8:25)
Grim Fandango (8:30)
Runaway 2: The Dream of the Turtle (8:35)
Tex Murphy: Overseer (8:45)
Tex Murphy: The Pandora Directive (8:55) (Game Player difficulty mode - best adventure game ever!)
Black Dahlia (9:40)
Cydonia: Mars: The First Manned Mission (Lightbringer) (10:20) (used a walkthrough for the ENTIRE game!)

My Predicted Will Hopefully Play Later List (not as important as the must-play now list)
For this list I didn’t try to guess the hours of gameplay, because for most of them, I have no idea how long they would take to complete. The score if for my predicted difficulty rating only.
15 Days (1)
House MD (1)
Art of Murder: FBI Confidential (2)
Art of Murder: Hunt for the Puppeteer (2)
Art of Murder: The Secret Files (2)
Drawn (series) (2)
Emerald City Confidential (2)
L.A. Noire (2)
The Cat & The Coup (2)
The Path (2)
Axel & Pixel (3)
Dreamfall: The Longest Journey (3)
Kaptain Brawe: A Brawe New World (3)
Pepper's Adventures in Time (3)
Beavis & Butthead: In Virtual Stupidity (4)
Uplink: Hacker Elite (4)
AlternativA (5)
Goin' Downtown (5)
Immortals of Terra: A Perry Rhodan Adventure (5)
Lula 3D (5)
The Rockin' Dead (5)
The Tiny Bang Story (5)
Paradise (5)
Return to Mysterious Island (series) (5)
Bad Mojo Redux (6)
Legacy: Dark Shadows (6)
Memento Mori (6)
Next Life (6)
Realms of the Haunting (6)
Dracula Origin (6)
And Then There Were None (7)
Callahan's Crosstime Saloon (7)
Conspiracies (series) (7)
Darkstar: The Interactive Movie (7)
Sinking Island (7)
The 7th Guest (series) (7)
Ben and Dan (series) (7)
Discword (series) (7)
Gobliiins 4 (7)
The Neverhood Chronicles (7)
Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers (8)
Harvester (8)
King's Quest (series) (8)
The Space Bar (8)
Beneath a Steel Sky (8)
Dark Fall (series) (8)
The Journeyman Project (series) (8)
Les Manley (series) (8)
Police Quest (series) (8)
Scratches (8)
Space Quest (series) (8)
Teen Agent (8)
The Expiriment (8)
The Lost Crown (8)
Leisure Suit Larry (series) (8)
I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream (9)
Ripper (9)
Safecracker (9)
Myst (series) (10) (a ten! I’ll probably never play these)


How would you rate the games you’ve played in terms of difficulty and gameplay hours?

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Wow, that's one ambitious project. Am looking forward to your lists!

EDIT: There were NO lists when I posted this. How is that possible??

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I like this idea. I always wished more reviews would say the estimated game length. I too prefer the shorter games because that means that one can play more of them. Especially now when you can find most adventure games for under $20 (through digital downloads), I don't mind if the game is too short because I am paying so little for the game if it is only takes 8 to 10 hours to complete it, it's still worth it. Also, great first post!
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Great,a taxonomist agamer,always think agames need more scientific approach.Although how ag became considerably easy in last 5 years making outa list no more than reflecting the personal.
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Remember that the greatest minds in gaming -- namely, the ex-Infocom people who created the adventure game genre: Steve Meretzky, Dave Lebling, Brian Moriarty, Marc Blank, and others -- have tried this and failed. Infocom games used to come with ratings as to their difficulty. They finally abandoned that when it became just too, too clear that difficulty is immeasurable. There are simply too many factors, many of which are dependent NOT on the game itself, but on the emotional, intellectual, and creative qualities of the PLAYERS. Therefore, you would have to try to figure in things like: How slow/fast does a player's frustration kick in? How much knowledge of simple tools does the player have? What's the player's educational background? How liable is the player to pick up a pencil and paper to figure out a puzzle, and how liable is she to insist on figuring something out in her head? How adept is the player at thinking abstractly or laterally?

If the geniuses at Infocom couldn't do it, with years of effort and their multidisciplinary backgrounds, I'm dubious that anyone can do it without something akin to the music genome project.
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It all comes down to personal opinion. I can write the mini-difficulty list of 5 random games:

Title/Difficulty

A Vampyre Story
Keepsake
Ankh
Conquests of the Longbow: The Legend of Robin Hood
Tales of Monkey Island

but it will tell you nothing about where the "difficulty" comes from - is it my personal struggle with some specific puzzle, is it imo, frustrating and illogical puzzles and so on. It's basically the same like with regular game reviews where you see only the score.

BUT, once you see more of those lists like the one above, you'll probably get more ideas whether the game is more "difficult" or easy based on many people opinions, especially if you're familiar with the tastes of some of them.

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There are simply too many factors, many of which are dependent NOT on the game itself, but on the emotional, intellectual, and creative qualities of the PLAYERS.

If the geniuses at Infocom couldn't do it, with years of effort and their multidisciplinary backgrounds, I'm dubious that anyone can do it without something akin to the music genome project.
Good point. But.... here comes the Big But... there are definitely adventures that nobody in their right mind would qualify as hard (or easy). The Gene Machine for instance is one of the easiest games I've played. I bet no more than one or two people out of a thousand players would need a WT.
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I think there's nothing wrong with measuring 'difficulty level' as long as you have played enough games to compare with.
But 'gameplay hours'? How should I know? I don't play my games looking at the watch. I like to see and try everything out, but that doesn't necessary mean I spend hours on diabolic puzzles.

Some of the games I found hard:
Woodruff and the Schnibble of Azimuth (8 out of 10)
Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers (7 out of 10)
Zork: Nemesis (8 out of 10)
Fable (1996) (10 out of 10, but it was just illogical to the extreme)

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The Gene Machine for instance is one of the easiest games I've played. I bet no more than one or two people out of a thousand players would need a WT.
I actually did use a WT couple of times...
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I'm probably not one to ask when it comes to difficult games since I avoid them like the plague but I was just thinking the other day about Freddy Pharkas: Frontier Pharmacist, and how incredibly difficult and unforgiving it is. A lot of Sierra titles could probably be added to your list. Try on King's Quest III for size.

If you want the easiest game, any of the Humongous Entertainment games should fit the bill. Of course they are kids games. Still kinda fun.

Sorry I didn't answer your post appropriately, just throwing those out there.
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EDIT: There were NO lists when I posted this. How is that possible??
LOL, I posted the lists immediately after posting the original message, but for some reason, the moderators posted the initial message without posting the reply I made to it just a couple minutes later. It’s kind of annoying since I wanted everyone to reply AFTER reading my lists, not before. This message will probably be posted with a delay too. :-(
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Okay, cool, my posts appear right away now. That’s good.

There is a game I would like to add to my lists. I played it a few months ago, and I’m going to call it my personal “easiest adventure game ever”:
Dinner Date (0,0.5) (that’s a 0 difficulty and 30 minutes of gameplay)

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There are simply too many factors, many of which are dependent NOT on the game itself, but on the emotional, intellectual, and creative qualities of the PLAYERS.
You are right that the ratings are very subjective. However, the point of this thread is to find out what games are on the easier end of the spectrum by a consensus, because many people don’t have enough time to play every game. For example, I’m excited to play the Secret Files games if most people think they are about as easy as Lost Horizon. If most people think A New Beginning is as hard as The Whispered World, then it still is probably worth playing since Daedalic games are awesome.
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The reason you couldn't reply immediately to your original post was because the content and formatting triggered the forum spam filter. Anything that does that has to be reviewed and approved by a moderator before it becomes visible.

Since it was the original post that was filtered, Fien must have posted in the minute or so between my approving that post and merging the other thread in. For all subsequent posters, including your repeat of the list postings, the lists would have been in place.

Because they are quite long and entirely superfluous, I have deleted the 3 extra copies of the list post.
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Secret Files: Tunguska
Secret Files: Puritas Cordis
Neither is very difficult, except for the occasional "moon logic" puzzle where you do something amazingly simple in an incredibly convoluted way. No need for in-game hints (that both games have anyway) since both games feature relatively barren screens so you can easily brute force those sections. Subverted in one puzzle in Puritas Cordis, where you're loaded in inventory and all inventory combinations work. Luckily it's slightly less ridiculous to figure out than the major stumpers. If Fatty Bear's Birthday Surprise is a 1 and Discworld is a 10, both are around four-five.

Gray Matter is quite easy except for one deliberate pixel hunt. A three.

Sorry for lack of timing info, I don't clock myself and I play games on and off.

So you know how to factor my ratings: I would put Grim Fandango at 9, Longest Journey at 6, Full Throttle at 7, and Safecracker (guessing you mean the new one) at 3. So, not sure how you can interpolate anything out of that, we seem to really disagree, probably on the composition of the scale.
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Games I've played 2009-2011

The times of these ones are estimates.
Machinarium (7:8)
Syberia (4:10)
Syberia II (4:10)
Sanitarium (5:12)
Blade Runner (5:10)
Gemini Rue (3:8)
Puzzle Agent (1:4)
Broken Sword: The Shadow of the Templars (Director's Cut) (4:10)

The times from these are exact because they are on Steam.
Still Life (7:12)
Lost Horizon (3:10)
Portal (2 : 7)
Portal 2 (3 : 12)
Ceville (4:10)
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All posts are subject to an edit limit for users. I believe that it is only set to a day or so. Reserving a post for future editing will therefore not do you any good as you won't be able to edit it yourself after a while.
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You say you don't have time to play these games... but you have time to do these kinds of lists?!

I'm an extreme INTP too though so I understand!

The game time thing? Sorry, but who keeps track of that? Impossible to do so I will leave that part out.

Also, I think there's a distinction that needs to be made between 'legitimately' difficult and difficult through poor design (which I have designated as 'illigitimate' difficulty). Nearly all third person games have some illegitamate aspects like pixel hunting, wandering around rechecking areas after every event trigger etc so it's rare I will class them as 'entirely legitimate). If those aspects are limited I will designate them 'mostly legitimate'.

The games I have played from your lists I would rate thusly:

The Next BIG Thing: 5 (mainly legitimate difficulty)
Black Mirror 2: 6 (difficulty is mainly illegitimate)
Machinarium: 8 (totally legitimate difficulty)
Blackstone Chronicles: 6 (mostly legitimate difficulty)
NIBIRU: 6 (difficulty mostly stems from boredom at tedious tasks which has you reaching for a walkthrough quickly so as not to waste too much time so has to be illegitimate)
Syberia 1 & 2: 4 (mostly legitimate)
Sanitarium: 5 (mostly legitimate)
Last Express: 10 (legitimate)
Titanic: adventure Out of Time: 8 (legitimate) (this rating is for the perfect ending)
Post Mortem: 7 (some illigitimate bad design but also some very tough ligitimate puzzles. But interspersed with some simple stuff)
Still Life: 5 (mainly legitimate)
Still Life 2: 8 (a lot of illigitimate stuff and terrible frustration with the controls and interface)
Art of Murder: FBI Confidential: 5 (almost entirely illigitimate. Used a walkthrough a lot through sheer boredom)
Axel & Pixel: 3 (entirely legitimate. Without the 'action' levels this would be a 1)
Kaptain Brawe: 3 (mostly legitimate)
Dark Fall: The journal: 4 (entirely legitimate)
Dark Fall: Lights Out: 5 (mostly legitimate)
Dark Fall: Lost Souls: 6 (50 / 50 legitimacy)
Paradise: 7 (quite a lot of illigitimate difficulty from the poor interface)
Next Life: 8 (a lot of walking around the same area over and over looking for what has 'changed', with no clues, so mostly illigitimate, plus challenging arcade sequencies)
Return to Msyterious Island: 3 (mostly legitimate)
The Lost Crown: 3 (mostly legitimate but some repetitive walking around looking for 'what has changed')
Scratches: 7 (Mostly illigitimate)
The Experiment: 9 (entirely legitimate)


This is only games I have played through to completion and feel that I remember well enough to judge them fairly. No doubt I have missed games as I skimmed down the list so I may post again if I notice any and if I can be bothered.
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Aside (But not totally off topic):

Funnily enough I just played Nancy Drew(!) "Shadow At The Water's Edge" and it had one of the most daunting puzzles I've come across in a long while (Wires, picture...). Totally legitimate and totally do-able, and I was happy to see it in such a game. As a matter of fact, I think this was the best ND ever --#23! -- which is also cool.
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Old 08-06-2011, 07:12 PM   #20
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I'll just comment on the games in your must play list that I've played. I'll include the approximate time I spent on each game, but keep in mind that I avoid using show hotspots unless I'm desperate and about to resort to a walkthrough, so the amount of time and difficulty increases a lot for games with lots of pixel hunting.

Secret Files: Tunguska (1:15)
Difficulty: 1 if using the show all hotspots feature, 4 if not.
Time: 15 hours sounds about right.

Secret Files: Puritas Cordis (1:15)
Difficulty: 1 if using the show all hotspots feature, 4 if not.
Time: 15 hours sounds about right.

Gray Matter (3:15)
Difficulty: 2 if using the show all hotspots feature, 3 if not.
Time: About 10 hours

The Next BIG Thing (4:15)
Difficulty: 1 if using the show all hotspots feature, 3 if not.
Time: Exactly 10 hours

Jack Keane (5:20)
Difficulty: 1 if using the show all hotspots feature, 2 if not.
Time: About 10 hours

So Blonde (5:20)
Difficulty: 2 if using the show all hotspots feature, 3 if not.
Time: About 15 hours

A New Beginning (6:25)
Difficulty: 2 (never got stuck due to pixel hunting)
Time: About 15 hours

Edna & Harvey: The Breakout (9:30)
Difficulty: 4 (never got stuck due to pixel hunting)
Time: About 10 hours, but used a walkthrough for one puzzle after being stuck for 2 hours.

Your estimated game-play time is generally higher than mine, so I'm guessing you should consider the Tunguska games 20+ hours. They are easy in the sense that all puzzles can be solved by trial and error, but you tend to carry a lot of inventory items at all times, and they are long enough that they'd probably take 10 hours to play straight through.

The only one of these games that (in my opinion) is hard compared to telltale games is Edna & Harvey. I think you may have overestimated the difficulty of A New Beginning because of The Whispered World. The inventory puzzles are much more logical in A New beginning, and the mechanical puzzles are fewer and easier.
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