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Old 03-05-2012, 08:33 AM   #21
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One minor challenge remains, and newcomers to the thread are invited to attempt it
I'm the only one here that's NOT a newcomer...

Anyway, to anyone who's prepared to assist me (and unwilling to scroll through too much text), we're still looking for a second solution to this riddle:

"On paper or tablets from man or Divine,
I am made of ten parts, and yet only of nine."


The solution that I've already come up with was 'Commandments'. Ten Commandments are in the Bible, and the word itself is composed of nine different letters.
A second solution is beyond me, though...


As for my introduction, the name is Timothy. I'm an avid movie watcher, which has led to my (imo rather fitting) online alias of 'TimovieMan'. My presence here is because I'm rather fond of puzzles (which is also why I love adventure games), and so far I am greatly intrigued by what the Sapphire Witch has already offered...
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Intense Degree shuffles forward looking more than a little tired, nervous and overweight. For some reason he seems to be referring to himself in the third person.

He nods approval at Timovieman's sound reasoning with regard to the answer "Commandments" which seems to answer all aspects of the riddle so exactly, despite the arching of Ocean's eyebrow and her protestations otherwise. Of course, Decalogue is another term for the 10 commandments which has only 9 letters, but that is realistically the same answer.

Noting the reference to things right in front of us there are treasures, mysteries, exhibits, people, puzzles, some of which have 9 letters but none of which seem to answer the riddle.

The only "famous 9's" that spring immediately to mind are circles of heaven or hell according to that Dante chap, and for 10's; numerical characters in the decimal system and the aforementioned commandments of God to his people, Israel.

Intense Degree is stumped and begins to return to the pavillion with bat under his arm.
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I'm not sure about this at all, but I felt bad for TimovieMan being the only one.

Can the 2nd interpretation be "The Divine Comedy"? It is both written down on paper, and people can probably view "Dante's Inferno" on their tablets.

In the books, there are usually 9 circles of the Inferno, followed by Lucifer; 9 rings of Purgatory followed by the Garden of Eden, etc. I get this information from the Wikipedia page, "The structure of the three realms follows a common numerical pattern of 9 plus 1 for a total of 10" here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Divine_Comedy

I'm probably way off, but I thought I'd try. *shrug*

EDIT: I wrote this before I saw Intense jump in with the same answer...
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I'm not sure about this at all, but I felt bad for TimovieMan being the only one.
No need to feel sorry for me. As long as I'm not making (more of) a fool of myself (than usual), it's all good...

I actually feel sorry for WitchOfDoubt. He's going through all this trouble to launch what is essentially an interactive text adventure game on this forum, and despite all the adventure gamers present, there's very little response...
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No need to feel sorry for me. As long as I'm not making (more of) a fool of myself (than usual), it's all good...

I actually feel sorry for WitchOfDoubt. He's going through all this trouble to launch what is essentially an interactive text adventure game on this forum, and despite all the adventure gamers present, there's very little response...
Well, one sometimes feels oneself rather stupid. Not The One, of course, but one who refers to oneself as one, for one hadn't even had time to properly read the riddles when The One had already solved them One would also refer to oneself as trousers in puzzles, at least verbal ones One is too impatient and busy

But one shall try, nevertheless.
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(I've been a bit ill - sorry for the delayed response! Now we're moving along nicely.)

The Witch bowed politely and motioned Timothy to sit on the east side of the table, facing a great window. "Welcome. I do trust our little entertainment meets with your approval."

Intense Degree was the next to enter. "Ah! Dante? An interesting guess... I shall have to discuss it with the animates." But the other word... "Yes, 'DECALOGUE' is the other answer I was expecting. Well solved." He was motioned to a seat opposite Timothy, on the Witch's left.

FantasySci, whose reiteration of the Divine Comedy answer gave it a little more weight, was welcomed and seated at the same side of the table as Timothy. Perhaps this would become relevant later...

UPtimist, too, received a seat - on IntenseDegree's side, opposite FantasySci. "I counsel patience," said the Witch. "Not everyone will solve every puzzle immediately. The time will come."

Several seats remained on both sides of the table, but the last person to enter ignored them and sat at the opposite end from the Witch. It was a boy of about eighteen. "Hey. Sorry I'm late," he said, and rather impertinently neglected to mention his name. All the same, the Witch seemed to know him. "We're about to get into the Club, right? Let's get on with it."

"... yes," said the Witch. "But a question. Would 'The Divine Comedy' stand as an answer to the 'decalogue' riddle?"

"Big stretch," said the boy. "I call Sphinx's Fourth. What about the 'tablets' part? What's the Inferno got to do with that? But y'know, the Golden Witch would have gone for it..."

"Of course," said the Sapphire Witch. "Of course she would have. In that light, I cannot turn down such an appropriate answer, ahaha! Very well, they shall take their first stone now. The Witch Side can afford to be generous for the moment."

The Witch slid a hemispherical, yellow-brown stone to the center of the table. It bore a set of letters - U A A. Initials of some kind?


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(Nicely done on finding two alternate answers; more people are, of course, welcome to join - there's plenty of room at the table.

I'll most likely post the opener for the next chapter tomorrow!)
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:09 PM   #27
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With the guests arrayed, the board was set.

Inspired by When the Seagulls Cry (Umineko no Naku Koro ni).
The difficulty of this chapter is Slightly Tricky. Would you care to guess?


The story so far...

December 31, 2011. Tonight, the members of an exclusive riddle club have gathered to compete for a grand prize. Upon arrival, they received a set of rules for fair riddling, The Sphinx's Decalogue. On these pages were clues to open a safe and prove their worthiness to enter the Club. The first to solve this safe was...

* Ocean Zweidler, an author of mysteries, who guessed similarly to some of the cleverer posters in the thread. The line below this one is a lie.

* L. V. Ford-Seaton, a child of wealth. Nobody in the thread could have anticipated his answers. The line above this one is a lie.

Now, a new page begins. What will our guests find written in the foyer?

Without hope, the truth cannot be found.
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Chapter 1: The Room of Six Locks

or, The Courtship of the Sapphire Witch

Young Matthew Ford - no relation to the car-maker - was a Wall Street alchemist. He could turn lead into gold, and not only that, he could turn tin into silver, iron into copper, and, judging by the fortune he made in semiconductor commodities trading, silicon into gallium. But he was reckless and wild, winning and losing fortunes on a throw of the dice, until the evening he met the Sapphire Witch.

At the time, she bore a different name. No matter; her magic remained unchanged. Although she was a geneticist in her human life, she knew powerful conjurations and transfigurations, which she taught to Ford in their years of marriage.

Nowadays, it is generally considered impolite to remind Mr. Ford that his wife has passed away. For how could that be so? Even now, the Witch wanders the hidden ways of the museum, weaving strange and secret enchantments.


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The guests found this page - the very page you are reading - in the foyer. Though normally spacious, boasting tall windows and a grand 39-step staircase, the foyer was cluttered tonight with trunks, tables, and shelves. Amid this paraphernalia, many of the Club’s staff had gathered to present themselves and play their assigned roles.

"Ladies, gentlemen, I don’t mean to alarm you, but there was supposed to have been a signet ring in that first safe," said Lana Rodriguez, the Club librarian, stepping away from a set of bookshelves that held the proprietor’s favorite novels. "It had a big sapphire in it… not easy to miss. I'm afraid that either whoever opened it just now palmed the ring, or somebody broke in early. Bill, anything on the safe's records?"

"Sorry ‘bout the bad news, but I just checked. Looks like someone got in right before it got solved and opened the safe using its back panel." said Bill Jackson, the club's resident tech wizard. He lit a cigar and slouched back against a table that carried a model train set.

"Shoot!" said Samuel, the doorman, raising his eyes from a box of vintage 45 records. "I stepped away to shut off the fire alarm! Anyone could've opened it from the other side!"

Margaret Ye, the proprietor’s attorney, pushed aside the trunk of toys she was assigned to watch over. “Security just locked down the building. Nobody will enter, nobody will leave. Not before we find our culprit.”

The guests protested, but all of the staff had solid alibis. And if they eliminated the eight staff members as suspects... well, there wasn't nearly enough information to figure out who had done it just yet, but perhaps, as the evening wore on, the culprit would slip up. Ocean already had made a few deductions...

"Maybe it was the Witch!" joked L. V., only to receive angry glares from several of the staff, and, in particular, from a young boy at Mrs. Ye's side.

"You'll regret saying that," said the boy. "The Witch is real. She's gonna take us all to El Dorado."

"Cut it out, Mark." hissed Margaret. "Do I have to send you home?" Then, noticing that the others were staring, she said, "What? Mr. Jackson! Give them the damn riddle!"

Mr. Jackson shook his head and pointed to a tall mahogany cabinet leaning against the wall, bearing an ostentatious lockplate in the shape of a winged man. “Second safe’s in here,” said Jackson. “But the key’s somewhere else in this room. Here’s your clue.”

He showed the guests what looked like a crude handicraft made in summer camp, a string of little ornaments. “Some of these are rusted, but you should ignore any oxidation. In fact, you’d better ignore any minor ingredients in these things!” Jackson added, making sure each guest saw it fully. "Start from the end with the sinker. Be careful; it's got sentimental value."

The ornaments were made from glass beads, old fishing sinkers, loops of lead-free solder, and steel rings, and were arranged as follows:

Sinker, Glass, Glass, Solder, Steel, Sinker, Glass, Sinker, Glass

Racing to make sense of this clue, the guests rummaged through the room for the hidden key. Some dug through the bookshelves for reference materials, while others used their smartphones to access the Internet.
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(This one's a bit involved, so it makes more sense to solve it one step at a time and share your results than to try to go it alone.

The guests can consult the bookshelf about specific topics. You may want to ask to do the same.)
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OK, I certainly don’t have a solution but here is my thinking so far…

Fishing Sinker - presumably made of LEAD - transformed to GOLD
Glass - mostly SILICON - transformed to GALLIUM
Solder - no lead then must be TIN - transformed to SILVER
Steel - mostly IRON - transformed to COPPER

So: Sinker, Glass, Glass, Solder, Steel, Sinker, Glass, Sinker, Glass
Becomes: Gold, Gallium, Gallium, Silver, Copper, Gold, Gallium, Gold, Gallium

Not sure where that gets us…

However chemical symbols may be involved?

Gold - Au
Gallium - Ga
Silver - Ag
Copper - Cu

I can’t see any anagrams there or anything else spelt out at first glance, anyone else got any ideas?

EDIT:

OK, picking up on the geneticist hint, wikipedia shows that the letters denoting amino acids in genetic code bear a striking resemblance to the letters representing the chemical elements as above.

Therefore: Gold, Gallium, Gallium, Silver, Copper, Gold, Gallium, Gold, Gallium
Becomes : AU, GA, GA, AG, CU, AU, GA, AU, GA
Which we group in 3's like the genetic code thing: AUG, AGA, AGC, UAU, GAA, UGA

and the letters denoting the amino acids specified by each 3 letter code gives us M, R, S, Y, E, Stop.

Therefore Mrs (Margaret) Ye has the key.

My brain hurts.
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*jaw drop*

Okay, I'm way out of my league here I had no idea what to do there...
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Me as well, Up.
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Congrats, Intense!

I hereby distance myself from the title "The Chosen One", for I am not worthy...

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(Long, slow clap. Impressive - you're almost there!)

The guests had gotten significantly further in finding the location of the key. L. V. seemed to have an advantage on the final step, owing to his experience with DNA, but there was someone even more prepared to tackle the final translation than him. Professor Otto Rinaldi, fruit fly geneticist and meddler, had all 64 codons memorized.

"Look," he said, his voice calm, but with the slight quaver of age, "The proteins that run our cells, they're all made by translating mRNA. The mRNA gets translated in groups of three "letters." We call those groups codons. First codon's always AUG, the start codon. Every time a codon gets read, a new amino acid gets put on the protein.

This codes for methionine, arginine, serine, tyrosine, glutamate... we abbreviate those MRSYE."

But the toys Mrs. Ye was watching over were a motley assortment of knickknacks and playthings, and they could hardly expect to break open every one. Surely there was a final clue in that sequence to help them narrow it down further!

Kenichi Nakamura, a programmer and fan of codes, squinted at the explanation that Otto had written on paper. "That's 5 amino acids. 3 letters each. But we had 9 elements, 2 letters each. Doesn't "MRSYE" leave us short?"

"No, no, no," said Otto, "that's not how it works. See, the last codon, UGA..."


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Otto Rinaldi
Age: 71
Profession: Professor emeritus

Quote: "I like it when they put up 'Do Not Enter' signs. They tell me where the interesting things are."

Background: A fruit fly geneticist of considerable renown, Professor Rinaldi was born in Florence, Italy, amid the tumult of World War II. He never knew his father, who died when his submarine was destroyed by Allied forces, but his family managed to escape with enough of their fortune to establish themselves after the war. Perpetually curious, Otto worked his way through university and become a classical geneticist, an expert on both fruit fly development and practical jokes. In his spare time, he enjoys reading, playing the flute, and painting.

Random Fact: He has eaten fruit fly pupae, and claims they have the texture of grape nuts.

Sample riddle: Shortly before one of the Club's sumptuous dinners, Otto was snooping around the back halls, when he heard Jaime LaSalle, the chef, muttering to himself. "Coulda sworn I bought five loaves," Jaime was saying. "We've got five tables and need one each... shoot! Better tell Celia."

As LaSalle left, Dr. Rinaldi slipped in behind him, washed his hands, then worked quickly and dextrously with the bread and a kitchen knife. When he was done, he absently picked up an end piece, gnawing on it as he left.

Upon returning, LaSalle was perplexed to find the bread in the following arrangement:


It appeared to be five loaves, give or take a little bit here and there, but how many loaves did the chef have before Otto's meddling?
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There were originally three loaves.

Five end pieces in the picture, plus the one Dr Rinaldi absently munches on as he leaves for six in total. Each loaf would have two end pieces so divide by two to get the three loaves.

stepurhan was pleased with his simple maths, though he still felt very much in awe of the intellects already at the table. He lurked at the back of the room, not yet ready to join such august company. Hopefully, with a bit of mental application, he could prove himself worthy of the honour.
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The stop codon UGA appears in 'opal' or 'umber mutations' (well, according to the wikipedia at least).
Umber could refer to clay, so we're possibly looking for something that's either opal or clay.
What are the contents of the trunk of toys Mrs. Ye is guarding? Are there marbles in there by any chance?
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(Sorry for slow responses - I've been sick!)

The puzzle on Dr. Rinaldi's sheet, which the guests had found on the reception desk near the Foyer, was quickly solved. However, as soon as they finished, Nat Foreman called their attention to the paperweight that had been used to hold down the typed sheet.

"Look," he said. "It has some letters engraved on it - UAA. And a chess pawn engraved on one side, it looks like." He pocketed it, certain that it would be a clue for later.


(Foreman has found an ochre stone that matches the one the Witch showed to the group at the Banquet. What will it be used for?)

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Suddenly, as the guests were searching the toy chest, the ground began to shake violently.

"Earthquake!" shouted Mark, more excited than afraid. As a child of Los Angeles, he'd lived through a few of these. A few guests from farther afield were startled, but there was barely any time to panic, as the shaking ended within seconds. A toy boxcar fell off of the table with the model railroad set, crashing violently on the ground, but was miraculously undamaged, and a few books fell from the top of the bookcase.

As everyone gathered their wits, Alicia Tressler, the only medical doctor among the guests, quickly checked everyone for injuries. Fortunately, nobody was hurt, but as she was helping Mrs. Ye to her feet, she saw something glinting in the toy chest. One of the jewels set into a costume crown, a cheap plastic trinket, was not an imitation at all, but a real opal. It came loose with a click, revealing that its underside bore the inscribed symbol of a chess knight.

"My God," said Alicia. "Look at it shine!"

But attempts to use the opal on the lock were fruitless. Even though the opal would prove useful later on, the sequence also referred to something entirely different in the toy chest.

This safe puzzle is almost, but not quite, solved.

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Alicia Tressler

Age: 43
Profession: Doctor

Quote: "Well, differential diagnosis is a little like solving a puzzle or being a detective. You have to work it all out by elimination and follow all the clues. But you don't get to screw around until you're sure of your answer. The germs don't wait!"

Background: Born in Madrid, Spain, to a British diplomat and a local teacher, Alicia Tressler loved medical news and strange tropical diseases from childhood on. With the same verve that made her the queen of the youth soccer field, she chased a career in medicine. Now that she's well-established as a practicing physician, she enjoys medical mysteries, the piano, and poetry in the Romance languages.

Random fact: She once drove a van decorated to look like a giant mouse for 500 miles.

Sample puzzle: It was Puzzle Career Night, when guests at the Club brought in challenges that were relevant to their jobs or fields of expertise. Dr. Tressler had a particularly cogent example.

"Let's do some epidemiology," she said to the assembled guests. "Here's the story.

First-year students in Layton House at Gressenheller University room together in pairs. During the first three weeks at the university, however, they rotate between rooms, switching roommates every week. Unfortunately for them, one of the new arrivals carried the Blah virus.

Luckily, a student with early symptoms was diagnosed and they were all tested and treated. But who was Patient Zero, the person who first brought the virus to Layton House?

Here's a schedule showing which students were rooming together during each rotation, and what their test results were. We'll refer to them by number to keep them anonymous:"


"Now, some rules!

One: The virus only passes between students who are currently rooming together. However, between two roommates, its transmission rate is 100%.

Two: Everyone who tested positive had the virus, and everybody who tested negative was uninfected.

Three: Students 12, 13, and 14 all arrived a few weeks early to campus, and could not have been patient zero.

Who was patient zero?"


(Note: The rough format of this puzzle was borrowed from a biology class, but the scenario is mine. Reference available upon request.)

* * * * * * * * *

And this is far from the last of this room's riddles.

Enough! If you give up, surely someone else will guess it for you!

Stop thinking! Go find a game where there is one "answer" to every problem!

STOP! Leave this place, and my secrets will be safe.

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There is a typo in the table. Rotation 2 Roommate number 12 should be number 1, not number 11 as currently shown.
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Patient Zero is number 5.

12, 13 and 14 are excluded by the third rule. All the other students have had a room share with someone that is uninfected at the end.

The newly infected each week are
  • Week 1 - 14
  • Week 2 - 4 and 6
  • Week 3 - 1, 9, 11 and 13.

stepurhan noted that, epidemiology and the exponential expansion of infected demonstrated by this puzzle is a good reason for not rotating room shares
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(Ah! Sorry about the typo! I'm still a little sick, so it's taking me time to post puzzles, but I think that the pace will pick up soon!)

Batsheva stared at the progress they'd made on the safe. "Mrs. Ye, stop," she muttered. "MRS YE STOP." Wait a minute... if it's a toy chest, then maybe...

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Dr. Tressler's puzzle fell quickly to a bit of careful deduction, but almost as soon as the group had solved it, they found another puzzle waiting for them! This one was under the green tower in the center of the model railroad tracks, and seemed to hold a profile of Batsheva Ellis.

Meet the Pieces (Part 5 of Many)

Batsheva Ellis

Age: Not telling
Profession: Herbalist, tarot reader, clock repair technician

Quote: "Wait, wait, wait, I got it, I got it! I know the answer! Imagine we're an ant in that room, thinking about it like an ant. We'd have to feel our way around with our antennae, and antennae rhymes with penny. So the answer is a penny.

Well, of course I'm right! Why do you look so surprised?"


Background: Batsheva Ellis's parents never knew what she was going to do with her life. Born in Manhattan to a family that was Jewish, but not terribly observant (she always listed their denomination as 'not Christian'), she was a brilliant but unfocused student early in life, changing her major at the University of Chicago no less than five times before somehow emerging with a degree. Since then, she has lived on her wits, relying on her power of radically outside-the-box thinking to pull her through.

Random Fact: Batsheva's entire life is a random fact.

Sample Puzzle: "You know, that exponential disease growth puzzle reminds me of vampires!"


Did you know that it takes a lot of energy to fly? It sure does, no joke! That's why vampires gotta drink so much. A flying vampire's gotta drink the blood of exactly three people every hour. Of course, this turns them into more vampires, and soon you got vampires up to your ears.

Let's say Dracula takes off at 12:00 PM to fly around Manhattan. If anybody who gets bitten by a vampire changes right away and starts flying, how many vampires will there be after four hours?
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stepurhan muses on Batsheva's cryptic comment. The odd phraeseology makes him think that an anagram may be involved. He is able to get the word "toy" from the statement but is stuck on anything from the remaining letters. Could the chess symbol on the bottom of the opal found in the chest be a clue?

As he muses on these matters, he also strongly thinks get well thoughts in the direction of WitchOfDoubt. The Sapphire Witch should have a better health plan in place for her faithful puzzle-posting staff.


I believe I know how to solve the vampire puzzle, but having solved the last couple of mini puzzles I'll leave it for someone else to have a go at for now.
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A thread most controversial, thatís what I want to start
Full of impassioned arguments, of posting from the heart
And for this stimulation all will be thankful to me
On come on everybody it wonít work if you agree
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