Doughnut or Donut? - Page 2

Intrepid Homoludens · 03-30-2004, 04:59 PM

Pay no mind, remixor. Pay no mind.

Creative · 03-30-2004, 05:12 PM

This topic broke out just how the arguement broke out with my friends recently regarding donuts/doughnuts. Everyone has their way of spelling. But the point of this topic is that it is frustrating -- we all have our own opinions and worlds we live in. This is an example of it.

There is no winner in this: They come out even. Simple fact: Doughnut is the old age version (British), and the new age is Donut (English). If any of you consider this to be wrong and improper or inferior -- You are extremely wrong. I'm sure you spell Color with a 'u' (colour), as such. Things change.

And forgive me if I am rude, but Bastich, I'd perfer if you weren't so rude yourself. No one was really being rude to you. And if you weren't trying to be rude -- watch how you are saying things. Forgive me.

Intrepid Homoludens · 03-30-2004, 05:17 PM

Hmmm. As I had stated, that one spelling possibly having a plebeian origin versus the other spelling having another origin is not the point. The point is that both spellings are equally viable, equally legitimate.

***Jackal*** · 03-30-2004, 05:27 PM

Virtually every word in the English language is already a bastardized variation of other words, both from other languages and previous incarnations of itself. Our entire language has been formed and revised and adapted to suit some cultural influence or another. It's purely arbitrary to say the line must be drawn here, when such restrictions have never been in place before.

As for do(ugh)nuts, either way is fine for me.

doppelganger rex · 03-30-2004, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bastich

I never said anything about intelligence. You have inferred something from my statement that was never there. The word ignorant does not necessarily refer to a lack of intelligence, but almost always to just a lack of erudition. I have to wonder why you so often interpret words in such a pejorative fashion...

WOW! What a bombshell! I never would have guessed! Was this just announced on CNN???

The complete and utter failure of your point is that the existence of something does not in any way justify itself.

I do hope yuoa re aware that you come off as pompous as a Greek military parade*, I mean you otherwise suond like a clever feller, but boy, full of air

*)

Bastich · 03-30-2004, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by remixor

I can't acknowledge your post because I don't accept your ignorant use of the slang term "bombshell." Please, revise your message to be a little more self-righteously intellectual and then we'll talk.

Somebody needs a lesson in the difference between slang and metaphor. Welcome back BTW. I see you missed me...

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Originally Posted by doppelganger rex

I do hope yuoa re aware that you come off as pompous as a Greek military parade.

LOL! Since you are new, you don't know the routine. As soon as remixor enters into a conversation I am in, this is what happens. We never stop professing our undying love for each other. It gets pretty steamy sometimes. The only reason you haven't noticed is because he hasn't been around lately, so things have been rather quiet.

Zygomaticus · 03-30-2004, 06:18 PM

This thread is cooleth. Wouldst thou join me for a spot of tea? Mortimer is in the kitchen with the kettle. He would be pleased if thine presence be made.

doppelganger rex · 03-30-2004, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bastich

LOL! Since you are new, you don't know the routine. As soon as remixor enters into a conversation I am in, this is what happens. We never stop professing our undying love for each other. It gets pretty steamy sometimes. The only reason you haven't noticed is because he hasn't been around lately, so things have been rather quiet.

Regardless, you seem to like old moveis and I know one you should see.

Maquisard · 03-30-2004, 09:02 PM

What's the correct spelling krispy kreme, or crispy creme? By nature of the spelling "doughnuts" being associated with the incorrect "K"iffied spelling of the first two words, I would consider it false as well. I myself prefer "donut" as it more vividly portrays the softness and scrumptiousness of the do.

Wormsie · 03-31-2004, 01:26 AM

Donitsi.

I like writing words that have a weird spelling, like doughnut. It's the ghn -part that is funny. Whahahahaa!

mycroft · 03-31-2004, 04:24 AM

*passes doughnuts to all, gives the poisoned doughnut to Trep*

Fairygdmther · 03-31-2004, 08:05 AM

Word usage is also regulated by the gov't. For instance "creme" must be used instead of "cream", unless real dairy cream is actually a part of the ingredients. Though it is a French name for cream, in English, it is a recognizable homophone used as a substitution. Krispy Kreme has bastardized it one step further.

Trep - I'll bet you never had homemade doughnuts? They are wonderful, crispy, and you tend to eat too many, so you get a bellyache. Dunkin' Donuts are awful, and Krispy Kremes are only a bit better. I don't make them very often, but next time I do, I'll Fed-Ex some to you.

When I was growing up the discussion was over the spelling of ketchup vs catsup. Some brands used one, some used the other. Ketchup has won over time, probably because that's the way we say it. Lite and light is another one from the food industry. There are regulations about how many fewer calories something must have before being called light, so lite is used instead, and has no official meaning.

FGM

Zanthia · 03-31-2004, 08:19 AM

You all remind me about article about chips. Also chips and chips have same spelling.

James · 03-31-2004, 08:28 AM

such acceptance of the (d)evolution of language has result in the decline of the written word, correspondence excepting for formal or business interests - public interest in drama or literature, not to mention the rise and advent of "teen movies" "L33t speak" and txt msgs, and other such assaults on the English language. If this is evolution, surely the ultimate goal is to be able to communicate in colloquial grunts? Incidently, on this side of the Atlantic we spell colour with a u, defence with a c, et cetera. This is not "wrong", as, by syllogism if sufficient numbers do it, it is correct.

Incidently, Scottish band "Idlewild" released an album "American English" in 2002. The existance of such a tongue is surely indication enough of how evolutionary strands are suggestive that neither are wrong, though obviously diverse. The greater history of the English language and literature over here would suggest a greater familiarity and sophistication in linguistics and literary technique.

Zanthia · 03-31-2004, 08:33 AM

Usually the short words are american form of spelling, while the longer words are british spelling.

Firefoot · 03-31-2004, 10:06 AM

I think I would write donut, since the chance of writing that wrong is much smaller than doughnut... But, as said many times before, there are way more differences between (British) English and (American) English... Like the Americans write "initialize" the British write it with a "s" instead of with a "z"...

DomStLeger · 03-31-2004, 10:09 AM

I'm definately in the Doughnut camp. Lets face it; we want to keep the english language as simple as possible right? Letting words like Donut in is a bad idea because if you try to read it out phonetically you get Do-Nut which sounds nothing like the word it's meant to and will confuse lots of people. So do it for the future generations; reject the donut in favour of the doughnut!

Anyway donut users look crazy -->

Doughnut users look cool --> 8-)

So there, QED etc etc

Firefoot · 03-31-2004, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomStLeger

Anyway donut users look crazy -->

Watch out with that pan, will ya!

doppelganger rex · 03-31-2004, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomStLeger

I'm definately in the Doughnut camp. Lets face it; we want to keep the english language as simple as possible right? Letting words like Donut in is a bad idea because if you try to read it out phonetically you get Do-Nut which sounds nothing like the word it's meant to and will confuse lots of people. So do it for the future generations; reject the donut in favour of the doughnut!

Anyway donut users look crazy -->

Doughnut users look cool --> 8-)

So there, QED etc etc

Greenwhich? Glouchester? Simple? What? Phoentic, you say?

Intrepid Homoludens · 03-31-2004, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DomStLeger

I'm definately in the Doughnut camp. Lets face it; we want to keep the english language as simple as possible right?

HA! And just who are you trying to fool?

Is there a PhD level linguist in the house? (

Dammit, I used to date one - guess he's out of range for us now)

03-30-2004, 04:59 PM	#21
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03-30-2004, 05:12 PM	#22
Creative Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: The United States in Ohio. Posts: 10	This topic broke out just how the arguement broke out with my friends recently regarding donuts/doughnuts. Everyone has their way of spelling. But the point of this topic is that it is frustrating -- we all have our own opinions and worlds we live in. This is an example of it. There is no winner in this: They come out even. Simple fact: Doughnut is the old age version (British), and the new age is Donut (English). If any of you consider this to be wrong and improper or inferior -- You are extremely wrong. I'm sure you spell Color with a 'u' (colour), as such. Things change. And forgive me if I am rude, but Bastich, I'd perfer if you weren't so rude yourself. No one was really being rude to you. And if you weren't trying to be rude -- watch how you are saying things. Forgive me. Share Share this post on Twitter

03-30-2004, 05:17 PM	#23
Intrepid Homoludens merely human Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 22,309	Hmmm. As I had stated, that one spelling possibly having a plebeian origin versus the other spelling having another origin is not the point. The point is that both spellings are equally viable, equally legitimate. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ platform: laptop, iPhone 3Gs \| gaming: x360, PS3, psp, iPhone, wii \| blog: a space alien \| book: the moral landscape: how science can determine human values by sam harris \| games: l.a.noire, portal 2, brink, dragon age 2, heavy rain \| sites: NPR, skeptoid, gaygamer \| music: ray lamontagne, adele, washed out, james blake \| twitter: a_space_alien

03-30-2004, 05:27 PM	#24
*Jackal* Hopeful skeptic Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,743	Virtually every word in the English language is already a bastardized variation of other words, both from other languages and previous incarnations of itself. Our entire language has been formed and revised and adapted to suit some cultural influence or another. It's purely arbitrary to say the line must be drawn here, when such restrictions have never been in place before. As for do(ugh)nuts, either way is fine for me. Share Share this post on Twitter

03-30-2004, 06:18 PM	#27
Zygomaticus Liver of Life Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,317	This thread is cooleth. Wouldst thou join me for a spot of tea? Mortimer is in the kitchen with the kettle. He would be pleased if thine presence be made. Share Share this post on Twitter

03-30-2004, 09:02 PM	#29
Maquisard Citizen of Bizarro World Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Htrae Posts: 4,219	What's the correct spelling krispy kreme, or crispy creme? By nature of the spelling "doughnuts" being associated with the incorrect "K"iffied spelling of the first two words, I would consider it false as well. I myself prefer "donut" as it more vividly portrays the softness and scrumptiousness of the do. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ By no rocket’s blue shade am no shells dead down there, Gave no proof all day long that the flag was unwhere! No say does am spar-strangled shroud hang limply! Under land of no free! Am us home coward-leeee! ~Excerpt from the Bizarro Anthem

03-31-2004, 01:26 AM	#30
Wormsie Doctor Watson Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Catacombs Posts: 4,736	Donitsi. I like writing words that have a weird spelling, like doughnut. It's the ghn -part that is funny. Whahahahaa! Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Don't worry, I'm a doctor.

03-31-2004, 04:24 AM	#31
mycroft Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 693	passes doughnuts to all, gives the poisoned doughnut to Trep Share Share this post on Twitter __________________

03-31-2004, 08:05 AM	#32
Fairygdmther Magic Wand Waver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sarasota, Florida Posts: 3,142	Word usage is also regulated by the gov't. For instance "creme" must be used instead of "cream", unless real dairy cream is actually a part of the ingredients. Though it is a French name for cream, in English, it is a recognizable homophone used as a substitution. Krispy Kreme has bastardized it one step further. Trep - I'll bet you never had homemade doughnuts? They are wonderful, crispy, and you tend to eat too many, so you get a bellyache. Dunkin' Donuts are awful, and Krispy Kremes are only a bit better. I don't make them very often, but next time I do, I'll Fed-Ex some to you. When I was growing up the discussion was over the spelling of ketchup vs catsup. Some brands used one, some used the other. Ketchup has won over time, probably because that's the way we say it. Lite and light is another one from the food industry. There are regulations about how many fewer calories something must have before being called light, so lite is used instead, and has no official meaning. FGM Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Ralph Waldo Emerson

03-31-2004, 08:19 AM	#33
Zanthia Sky is not the limit Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Kyrandia Posts: 1,496	You all remind me about article about chips. Also chips and chips have same spelling. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ RUBY + EXOTIC FLOWER = RED POTION TOPAZ + TULIP = YELLOW POTION RED POTION + YELLOW POTION= ORANGE POTION

03-31-2004, 08:28 AM	#34
James Prove it all night Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 730	such acceptance of the (d)evolution of language has result in the decline of the written word, correspondence excepting for formal or business interests - public interest in drama or literature, not to mention the rise and advent of "teen movies" "L33t speak" and txt msgs, and other such assaults on the English language. If this is evolution, surely the ultimate goal is to be able to communicate in colloquial grunts? Incidently, on this side of the Atlantic we spell colour with a u, defence with a c, et cetera. This is not "wrong", as, by syllogism if sufficient numbers do it, it is correct. Incidently, Scottish band "Idlewild" released an album "American English" in 2002. The existance of such a tongue is surely indication enough of how evolutionary strands are suggestive that neither are wrong, though obviously diverse. The greater history of the English language and literature over here would suggest a greater familiarity and sophistication in linguistics and literary technique. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." - Thomas Edward Lawrence

03-31-2004, 08:33 AM	#35
Zanthia Sky is not the limit Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Kyrandia Posts: 1,496	Usually the short words are american form of spelling, while the longer words are british spelling. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ RUBY + EXOTIC FLOWER = RED POTION TOPAZ + TULIP = YELLOW POTION RED POTION + YELLOW POTION= ORANGE POTION

03-31-2004, 10:06 AM	#36
Firefoot Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 495	I think I would write donut, since the chance of writing that wrong is much smaller than doughnut... But, as said many times before, there are way more differences between (British) English and (American) English... Like the Americans write "initialize" the British write it with a "s" instead of with a "z"... Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Boxes get lonely from time to time, people put them up the shelves so that they can have some company... No, really! - Ren Silver Emma is unbeatable, but here are My DVD's...

03-31-2004, 10:09 AM	#37
DomStLeger Whinging Pom Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: London, England, UK Posts: 1,032	I'm definately in the Doughnut camp. Lets face it; we want to keep the english language as simple as possible right? Letting words like Donut in is a bad idea because if you try to read it out phonetically you get Do-Nut which sounds nothing like the word it's meant to and will confuse lots of people. So do it for the future generations; reject the donut in favour of the doughnut! Anyway donut users look crazy --> Doughnut users look cool --> 8-) So there, QED etc etc Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Dom Currently Playing Tex Murphey - Under a Killing Moon (YAY GOG.com!) Recently Completed Broken Sword Director's Cut Still Get Mozilla Firefox! Forget that Chrome and IE rubbish!

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