2 stupid questions about ScummVM - Page 3

Esseb · 03-18-2004, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by WontonGoodsoup

Then why not just call it what it is? Don't beat around the bush with your pseudo language. Just take the 30 seconds and type headings over the downloads.

Well, now you know what a release binary is. There was a time you didn't know what an exe was either but you learned.

WontonGoodsoup · 03-18-2004, 09:09 AM

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It isn't good web design to clutter up a page with lots of extra headers.

where would be the clutter?? all you have to do is:

ScummVM for Linux:
link1
link2
ScummVM for Windows:
link1
link2

Wormsie · 03-18-2004, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ragnar

Eh? You don't use installers on linux. You use a packaging system instead.

Yes, that's correct of course. This leads to the conclusion that only Linux users who don't use Windows think there is such a thing as an installer. Because Linux doesn't have installers they think Windows must have something strange called an installer... Mystery solved!

ragnar · 03-18-2004, 09:40 AM

1. There are already headers (Notice those things saying "Release binaries", "Tools", "Source code", etc.?).

2. The link contain all needed information. What more than "Windows installer" do you need (the change i might think of here is to call it "self extracting archive" instead of installer)?

*Jake* · 03-18-2004, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by deadworm222

Yes, that's correct of course. This leads to the conclusion that only Linux users who don't use Windows think there is such a thing as an installer. Because Linux doesn't have installers they think Windows must have something strange called an installer... Mystery solved!

What? I think this thread has confused me about twenty times more than the download page itself. Are you saying that Windows doesn't have Installers? do you know what an Installer is? Was that total sarcasm and I missed it? I'm very very confused at this point.

Huz · 03-18-2004, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ragnar

2. The link contain all needed information. What more than "Windows installer" do you need (the change i might think of here is to call it "self extracting archive" instead of installer)?

Oh man, that's even more confusing.

I find it a bit funny that this issue has produced such a long thread, but I think the ScummVM download page has changed for the better now. At the risk of joining in the whine-fest and attracting a bit of Ender-rage[tm], I'd move the "apt-get... Debian unstable" thing to the bottom of the download list (no need to start with a confusing statement!) and possibly change "...really are not sure what you are doing" to "want to get started quickly" or something - no need to insult your adoring fans.

Also, not a major thing, but I couldn't help noticing that all the README files for the free games have UNIX line-endings - and sadly in Windows, they open in Notepad which in typical Microsoft style displays them all messed-up. Seems like a shame (especially as no such problems exist when the situation is reversed) and probably makes the free game releases seem a bit unprofessional and confusing for Windows users who don't understand why it happens, sadly...

Erwin_Br · 03-18-2004, 03:45 PM

Just to add something positive: I found the right download link immediately, no problems at all, when I first downloaded ScummVM a few months back.

--Erwin

Ender · 03-18-2004, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake

What? I think this thread has confused me about twenty times more than the download page itself. Are you saying that Windows doesn't have Installers? do you know what an Installer is? Was that total sarcasm and I missed it? I'm very very confused at this point.

Indeed. I was a Windows user for quite a long time, and a Litestep developer among other things.

You want to download Winzip, Acrobat Reader, BitTorrent, Nero.. any major application.

You go to the webpage page and you download the installer. It's called the installer. Ditto for installing anything - you want to install Office you run the Microsoft Office Installer. Its the common term on Windows, so I do not see why people insist it isn't and they can't recognise the word!

(As somebody else said about adding headings. It would look like this:

Windows Downloads
- two links
Linux Downloads
- three or four links
Solaris Downloads
- one link
PocketPC downloads
- one link
MorphOS downloads
- one link
blah blah blah

That would go on forever. Its clutter, annoying, and I do not see any need for it...
)

wakane · 03-19-2004, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by deadworm222

The average Windows user doesn't know - or is afraid of - the word "binary distribution". I'd suggest putting a link that says "Download latest Windows Version of ScummVM", and a small "other" -link that would point to the other files. *slightly kidding*

Ha..ha.. we should put "source distribution" and a link to gcc with a note saying (must be compiled in UNIX environment).

Burge · 03-19-2004, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Ender

Indeed. I was a Windows user for quite a long time, and a Litestep developer among other things.

You want to download Winzip, Acrobat Reader, BitTorrent, Nero.. any major application.

You go to the webpage page and you download the installer. It's called the installer. Ditto for installing anything - you want to install Office you run the Microsoft Office Installer. Its the common term on Windows, so I do not see why people insist it isn't and they can't recognise the word!

(As somebody else said about adding headings. It would look like this:

Windows Downloads
- two links
Linux Downloads
- three or four links
Solaris Downloads
- one link
PocketPC downloads
- one link
MorphOS downloads
- one link
blah blah blah

That would go on forever. Its clutter, annoying, and I do not see any need for it...
)

If you set it out well it would look beautiful.

Ninth · 03-19-2004, 01:59 AM

Since most people use windows, I think it's safe to say that other platforms' users are more experienced and should find the links they need.
Now for the "dumb" windows users, why not put a link to the windows download of the latest stable version on the main page?
Like a huge DOWNLOAD SCUMMVM (for windows users)...
That's what most other sites do... Then again, these other sites don't have something as awesome as scummvm to offer.

Burge · 03-19-2004, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninth

Since most people use windows, I think it's safe to say that other platforms' users are more experienced and should find the links they need.
Now for the "dumb" windows users, why not put a link to the windows download of the latest stable version on the main page?
Like a huge DOWNLOAD SCUMMVM (for windows users)...
That's what most other sites do... Then again, these other sites don't have something as awesome as scummvm to offer.

I really think its pointless arguing when the webmaster fails to see it from a surfers pov.

Ninth · 03-19-2004, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Burge

I really think its pointless arguing when the webmaster fails to see it from a surfers pov.

I don't think that it's what he does, and I'm in favour of pointless arguing anyway

.

jannar85 · 03-19-2004, 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Ender

But seriously, I keep getting this complaint. I reorganised the page two days ago and even added instructions, but people still arn't getting it... WHY?

Maybe they're just a bit dumb

I was being ironic, but seriously, they must GET IT SOME TIME, true?

simpson_yellow · 03-19-2004, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Burge

Edit: I realised you're from Perth too. You from North or South of the river?

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Originally Posted by Ender

As for North or South, North. I live in Nedlands and work in Leederville. Yourself?

At the risk of turning this into a chit chat thread (as if it hasn't become one already

):

Holy crap! Two more Perth-ites. Didn't think there'd be too many on these forums. Feel a bit less isolated all of a sudden.

I live in Carlisle myself (right next to East Vic Park in case you don't know).

Ender, I just downloaded ScummVM a couple of days ago. Kicks ass, man! Nice work. It's like Sam n Max have had a shower, put on some clean clothes and thrown on a bit of make up just so I can enjoy my gaming a bit more. Beautiful! Cool homepage too (not the ScummVM one, the hotlink in your public profile) - pleased to see your opinion on country and western music

And, for what it's worth (and in a dismal attempt to return to the topic), I'm a dumb ass Windows pleb and I managed to find the right file.

Enjoy the scorching weekend fellas

Ender · 03-19-2004, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by simpson_yellow

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Ender, I just downloaded ScummVM a couple of days ago. Kicks ass, man! Nice work. It's like Sam n Max have had a shower, put on some clean clothes and thrown on a bit of make up just so I can enjoy my gaming a bit more. Beautiful! Cool homepage too (not the ScummVM one, the hotlink in your public profile) - pleased to see your opinion on country and western music

Enjoy the scorching weekend fellas

Thanks! Glad you like it (both ScummVM and my site *grins*)

Ugh, this weekend will be deadly. Not looking forward to Monday either, still havn't convinced the boss to shell out for decent aircon (downside to working in a heritage-listed building, we're not allowed to drill holes

).

We are getting a lot of perthies in here. I'm actually really happy to see that a few people around here know about ScummVM!

Oh yeah. On-topic. Um. Never mind, it's a bit pointless by now

simpson_yellow · 03-19-2004, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by simpson_yellow

Cool homepage too (not the ScummVM one, the hotlink in your public profile)

Uh, don't think this reads properly. By the above, I wasn't implying that the ScummVM one wasn't cool... Doesn't look like you interpreted it that way anyway.

Perth: poised to take over the world.

Oh, and it probably doesn't matter that you don't have air con. Even if you did, Western Power wouldn't let you use it.

Ender · 03-19-2004, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by simpson_yellow

Uh, don't think this reads properly. By the above, I wasn't implying that the ScummVM one wasn't cool... Doesn't look like you interpreted it that way anyway.

Perth: poised to take over the world.

Oh, and it probably doesn't matter that you don't have air con. Even if you did, Western Power wouldn't let you use it.

No, I didn't take it that way. I know what you were getting at

As for WP.. ugh, true.

Wormsie · 03-19-2004, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake

What? I think this thread has confused me about twenty times more than the download page itself. Are you saying that Windows doesn't have Installers? do you know what an Installer is? Was that total sarcasm and I missed it? I'm very very confused at this point.

It tried to be a lame joke and it didn't even succeed.

AGA · 03-19-2004, 08:00 AM

So, when are you gonna give up this foolish SCUMMVM idea and start work on SCIVM?

...

what? ¬_¬

03-18-2004, 09:40 AM	#44
ragnar Knowledgeable Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Linköping, Sweden Posts: 1,510	1. There are already headers (Notice those things saying "Release binaries", "Tools", "Source code", etc.?). 2. The link contain all needed information. What more than "Windows installer" do you need (the change i might think of here is to call it "self extracting archive" instead of installer)? Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Rem acu tetigisti -- Jeeves Read my adventure game reviews here Blaskan Dragon Go Server Ragnar Ouchterlony

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Ninth Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Paris, France Posts: 6,409	Since most people use windows, I think it's safe to say that other platforms' users are more experienced and should find the links they need. Now for the "dumb" windows users, why not put a link to the windows download of the latest stable version on the main page? Like a huge DOWNLOAD SCUMMVM (for windows users)... That's what most other sites do... Then again, these other sites don't have something as awesome as scummvm to offer. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ ...It's down there somewhere. Let me have another look.

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AGA AdventureGameAficionado Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Cardiff, Wales Posts: 1,968	So, when are you gonna give up this foolish SCUMMVM idea and start work on SCIVM? ... what? ¬_¬ Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Berian Williams - [SIZE=1]Visit agagames.com for free adventure games!

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