03-13-2004, 01:38 AM
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Squeaky
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Do old classics turn bad?
I don't think this subject has been covered in a previous (at least recent) thread - had a quick review but couldn't find anything.
Just wondering if anyone has replayed an adventure that they once loved only to find that it's turned stale? I've been playing a few of my old faves recently - Full Throttle, DOTT, Myst, Riven, Myst 3 (OK that's not so old), Bioforge - and I'm in the middle of replaying Sam & Max Hit the Road. I've got a few more replays on my list (Grim, the MI series, and maybe some Tex Murphy) but so far everything has been just as good as I remember it being the first time around. I know AG's are reknowned for their timeless appeal and long lifespan, so is there anyone out there that's dusted off one of their old favourites, reinstalled it, and been seriously (or even slightly) disappointed? |
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03-13-2004, 04:11 AM
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Mourning Sam & Max 2
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 In my opinion, adventure games never get old (well, unless you remember all of the puzzles and stuff). I'll just wait a few years between each time I play through a game
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03-13-2004, 11:35 AM
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The ones I enjoyed don't seem to turn bad.
But sometimes I play some old classics that I didn't play when they first came out and I don't like them. I don't mind dated graphics so much, but sometimes old control systems can be very clumsy. KQ3 for example - if it had stuck with text for movement as well as actions, it wouldn't have been so bad. But the keyboard control was clumsy and I kept getting caught on things, like the stairway. And I was playing on a P100. It's probably worse on newer computers. |
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03-13-2004, 12:41 PM
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Classic Games.
This is going to be off-topic, but I recently tried to play Deus Ex recently, and for some reason I just couldn't get into it. I uninstalled it after I played a few missions in the game. I think it's because it's either looking quite dated, or it's just not as fun as I remember it.
But, for adventure games, I have a hankering to play Grim Fandango, Gabriel Knight 3, The Longest Journey, and both of my Tex Murphy games all over again! I have both The Pandora Directive, and Overseer. Also, has anyone ever played Faust: The Seven Games of the Soul?  I haven't played it for a very long time, and I'm wondering if it's any good.
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03-13-2004, 12:50 PM
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Tactlessly understated
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I played DOTT recently and was shocked to realize the game is even greater than I anticipated it being. Then I played Willy Beamish and was shocked to see it was junk.
In conclusion, if it is a classic and Lucas Arts, it still rocks, if it is a classic and Sierra it blows. Two exceptions that prove the rule are CMI and GK1. |
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03-13-2004, 03:32 PM
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Prove it all night
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"Do old classics turn bad?" - only if you leave them out in the sun to wrinkle and grow old. witness diane keaton
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03-13-2004, 03:39 PM
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The Dude
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I replayed GK2 a few months ago, and I was disappointed. The last time I had played it was sometime during high school (I'm a sophomore in college now). I didn't realize just how bad some of the acting really was. That, and after playing GK1 and 3, it just doesn't really seem to fit with the rest of the series. I mean, no Mosely, Gabe is totally different in 2 than he is in 1 and 3, and Grace is a total bitch in GK2. I still think 2's story is the best of the three, but it's implementation left something to be desired. Also, I didn't realize just how bad video compression was in those days. Imagine if they had used Divx or something for the videos, that would've been sweet.
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03-13-2004, 04:35 PM
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03-13-2004, 06:57 PM
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Consulting Detective
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Nah, didnt have any problems with old classics. I recently replayed Fate of Atlantis and Sam and Max, thanks to ScummVM!
I also replayed Larry 6 and Maniac Mansion 1. Last month I played Zak McKracken and Lost Files of Sherlock Holmes 2 for the first time. In the next months, I will probably replay all the Monkey Island series, specially the Monkey Madness collection I bought recently. DOTT is on my list of replaying, too.  If you think old games can turn bad, maybe you will find this article interesting: http://www.adventuregamers.com/display.php?id=178
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03-13-2004, 09:27 PM
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It won't be called 'bad' if it ever got called Classic. Just like the Count of Monte Criso will probably never be called 'bad', just because it's classic.
 But then, games and books are incomparable what with all the new stuff, graphics and sound-wise happening for games. I don't see any inherent changes in the books of today compared with the books of old (except for language). |
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03-13-2004, 10:49 PM
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03-13-2004, 11:45 PM
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03-14-2004, 03:09 AM
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Schattenjaeger wannabe
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To me, with films and with games, its not a "classic" if it gets old. A true classic stands the test of time, by definition, basically.
That said, I think there are many games that are called classics, like most of the KQ games (6 excluded), that really aren't all that great. |
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03-14-2004, 08:03 AM
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delusions of adequacy
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I was wrapped in Under a Killing Moon the first time through, Sci-Fi meets Phillip Marlowe. A new computer to play it on, wow what a game. I totally overlooked as much of the hammy acting as I could and ended up loving the game to bits. Many years later I was asked to donate some old games to a friend of my mom's. I played through some of the oldies to decide what I could live without and ended up giving away what has now become an absolute classic (Original box release)
 All because I was laughing or cringing at the hammy acting so much that last time through that I just couldn't get into the story once more.I just hope it was as much fun for whoever got it and played it their first time. Enough that they became as much or more of a fan of the series as me. I've given away too many adventure games, outright gifts or loans that never made it back. I haven't got my DOTT original box set with cd's and floppies anymore. Nor my Fate of atlantis 3.5 and 5 1/4 diskettes box set, no more CMI, or Grim Fandango. I think Stan has it right, neither a borrower nor a lender be. |
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03-14-2004, 10:16 AM
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I played Willy Beamish again recently after years and its still a great game IMO. Ok, very difficult and stupidly unforgiving, but still good I think. I regularly replay my old Sierra games and still enjoy them loads, especially the old PQ games.
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03-14-2004, 02:27 PM
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A true classic ages gracefully and gets even better with repeated playing.
Of course, this definition applies only if you're not of the "disposable culture" mindset. It drives me nuts to read people writing about "beating" a game in so-and-so many hours... That's great, guys. As long as you don't mind the fact that you have missed the whole point of playing these things. On a less inflammatory note, I'd like to drop the name of what is, for me, the classic adventure game series above all others: Gabriel Knight. The three titles - collectively and individually - represent some of the most satisfying interactive storytelling so far seen, which is why there's been a GK on my hard drive ever since the GK1 Day One demo came out. It doesn't look like I'll be getting bored of this saga anytime soon. In fact, I completed the third just now - for the Nth time, of course - then dabbled with the second for a bit, and am currently considering whether to start replaying the first or get some sleep for a change. Ah, thank goodness there is Project Jane-J to look forward to... I'll stop rambling now.
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