07-10-2009, 06:13 AM | #221 |
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I tried to wait a week to see if someone showed up to discuss the game, but practically no one did. I tried my best to give the players many starting points for discussion, but since the interest in this playthrough seems to have reached the bottom, I reckon it's best for us to end it as soon as we possibly can, thus making space for other playthroughs and enthusiasms. With this spirit, here are the last three segments:
Day 3, 03 PM - 06 PM We believe that there is something buried, near Rennes-le-Chateau Day 3, 06 PM - 09 PM We are holding the ecumenical conference of spies Day 3, 09 PM - MIDNIGHT I am sorry...
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07-10-2009, 06:15 AM | #222 |
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Here are the final points for the last three segments of the game:
3 PM - 6 PM Spoiler: 6 PM - 9 PM Spoiler: 9 PM - MIDNIGHT Spoiler: In three days, I'll post my final comments and then we can declare this playthrough officially over.
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07-11-2009, 12:24 AM | #223 |
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Oh, come on Andrea, don't fall into self-pity! Last segment didn't apparently have much to discuss, as you didn't really have one of your usual, awesome, mega-speculations either. Of course, people do have also problems getting to the game as you can probably understand (everyone being away and all) but that's a problem with any playthrough, people tend to get lost towards the end (and of course it's summer too). And this segment, ending the game and all, should be worth much discuss. Don't lose faith now!
Anyways, on to my initial thoughts, based on my memory as usual. (so this is obviously just spoiler if you haven't played... I'll put it in tags just in case) Spoiler: Well, GK4ever, here I come (again)... |
07-13-2009, 03:04 AM | #224 |
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Hey, just to say (as a newcomer to the forums) I found this playthrough over the weekend and had to join in! GK is my all time favourite series of games, it's been a while since I played GK3 and I certainly didn't get a full score on it!
I've only managed the first two segments yet but fully intend to complete the playthrough (admittedly well after most of you will have finished!) and enjoy the interesting comments and speculations provided by Andrea. It's really helped me to get even more out of this great game. I wanted to say how well this playthrough has been hosted and done, I'm really gutted I wasn't in from the ground floor and able to experience it in real time, so to speak, and definitely looking forward to the next one! Any chance of another GK or a Broken Sword? |
07-13-2009, 04:18 AM | #225 |
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Well, Gabriel Knight 1 has already been done in the past and hopefully a Broken Sword playthrough will crop up in the future, but i think the next playthrough will be Blackstone Chronicles.
Welcome to the forums by the way.
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07-13-2009, 04:27 AM | #226 |
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Thanks!
Looking forward to the next one... |
07-13-2009, 06:38 AM | #227 |
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Andrea? In the 3pm - 6pm timeblock, i only seem to get 813 points at the end of the conversation with Prince James. I had 805 before i went in to speak to him and i followed the order of topics according to the guide you posted. Is this an issue with the guide or am i missing something (again)?
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07-13-2009, 09:19 AM | #228 |
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Tomorrow I have my exam and at the moment I'm really busy finishing my study. First thing tomorrow, I'll check the score in the scene you mentioned, Gazzoid, and then I'll post my final thoughts.
Sorry for the delay PS: Welcome Intense Degree! A pleasure to meet another GK fan!
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07-13-2009, 11:33 AM | #229 |
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No problem.
Good luck with the exam.
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07-14-2009, 01:35 AM | #230 |
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Certainly there are few people who play computer games right now, in the holiday season... A pity perhaps but I have fun all the same with you guys
I played GK yesterday but after I have been killed like a thousand times by the demon I got so discouraged - it is terrible terribleee Spoiler: As to the points I will check on that later, because I am missing two points somewhere unfortunately and need some time to get over being killed 100 times already. I hope that Andrea will post the summary as always - I missed it a lot in the previous timeblock - btw good luck with the exam |
07-14-2009, 07:06 AM | #231 |
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Since I’ve been carried away by my exam, I didn’t get a chance to express my point of view of the third day of Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned. Now, I’m free and I can safely post my commentary about the whole day, minus the last two time blocks, which I will postpone till I’m sure that everyone has finished playing.
Day Three, 02 AM - 09 PM Let’s start with the night. After retrieving Larry Chester’s recently buried manuscript, and after hearing what is, without a doubt, one of my favorite piece of music of the entire game, there is the cutscene I’ve been waiting for since Sins of the Fathers. I won’t discuss my happiness in seeing Gabriel and Grace finally together, because I rather discuss the consequences of that single night of intimacy, somewhere near the Pirenees. Spoiler: Now, isn’t it even more dreadful that we might never see a fourth chapter? The possibilities, particularly if the spoiler above is true, would have been wondrous. Anyway, enough with the sadness (and a little hope: could the episodic Monkey Island 5 help in bringing back even our beloved Schattenjager?), and let’s move on to the next four time blocks, which are amongst my very favorite, both because this is where the Agatha Christie, whodunit type of setting finally pays off with major revelations and because the esoteric storyline gets the spotlight it deserves. Let’s see what happens: First of all, Grace finds the secret entrance to the Temple of Solomon and discovers that someone has already been there to leave her notes. Now, if you paid attention to Emilio’s movements throughout the game, you can easily see that whenever he was spotted alone, supposedly thinking or meditating, he was in the very proximity of an hexagram’s point, not to mention the center of the circle. Even before Le Serpent Rouge, and certainly afterwards, Emilio’s movements drew in front of our eyes the exact geometry the Grace unveiled by solving the riddle’s stanzas, but we were too blinded by the whodunit storyline to see the truth . Then, I must spend some words for one of my favorite characters, John Wilkes, that was brutally murdered by the vampires. He was too close to discover the truth about the Temple or they needed his discovery to find the entrance themselves? If I’m not mistaken, this is one of the most obscure points of the game: I used to think that he was too close to the truth, but if that was the case, then the Freemasonry and the Priory could have easily silenced him. On the contrary, if the Vampires needed him to find the entrance, why kidnap the baby when they weren’t sure about their actual capability to find the Temple? Upon many reflections, I’m now inclined to think that the Vampires killed Wilkes because, while he was searching for the entrance, he stumbled upon them, preparing their ritual. In fact, during the 02 AM block, Wilkes wasn’t in his room and he wasn’t at L’Homme Mort yet, so I think that he went off to see if he could find the entrance that very night. Finally, I have to say that the segment where Gabriel and Grace must figure out who stole the manuscript, in which order and why was one of the most rewarding sequence I’ve ever played. It required actual thinking, lots of investigation in the previous chapters, a good eye for supposed coincidences and a good deal of logic. Upon saying this, remember that early I mentioned something about major revelations? Well, it’s time to discuss one of them. Spoiler: This also means, once again, that an hypothetical GK4 would have dealt with all these strings, these plots and twists and maybe answered some lingering questions about the political, economic and social future of our world. As I said before, everytime I reach the end of GK3 - which I will discuss tomorrow - I get a distinct apocalyptic feeling to it: Gabriel discovered his heritage, delved into the depth of his very soul, unearthed a thousand-year lie and unveiled the secret of his own bloodline. And the world seems to be on the verge of a capital turning point... Everyone sensed it, even in the Hotel, even the stubborn and snobbish Lady Howard... Surely, even something more sinister sensed it and, given the direction Jane Jensen chose to explore with her subsequent novels, I could see the Apocalypse at the horizon... But this will have to wait until tomorrow, when I will share with my opinion on Asmodeus and my view on what may come next!
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I couldn't wait till tomorrow So I decided to proceed right away and post my final thoughts on the game. After this, I'm ready to answer any technical question (about the points or the last block) will eventually rise. As always, forgive me the length and I hope that you may find these speculations and thoughts entertaining and interesting.
WARNING: the following post as a whole is a major spoiler about the ending of Gabriel Knight 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned. I simply can’t use the spoiler tags, because otherwise I’d have to cover the entire post, and that would be pointless. But, please, if you haven’t finished the game at least once, do not read the following post, or it will ruin your full enjoyment of the adventure. Epic. Beautiful. Controversial. Melancholic. Mysterious. Sad. Gabriel Knight 3: Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned ending is many things, and I simply couldn’t start to describe how much I love it. I really think that it is the perfect ending for this single adventure and – if we won’t see another chapter in the chronicles of our Schattenjager – an awe-inspiring, bittersweet finale to the entire series. Before proceeding, though, I must touch a point I’ve been avoiding since the beginning. Amongst the other adjectives I used, I defined the ending «controversial», and this is true for the whole game. I’ve tried to stay out of any religious diatribe simply because – from my atheistic perspective – I found them rather childish and sanctimonious. We are discussing a work of art, here, and we ought to examine it from an aesthetic point of view, rather than a bigoted one. Even if I were a staunch Catholic, I will still think that let my own personal belief influence my judgment of an artistic creation is extremely unfair, not to mention completely pointless. Some may argue that this easier for me, since Jane Jensen’s take on Christ, Christianity and the Holy Grail is more akin to my atheistic vision, but this won’t change the fact that I prefer to discuss the game in its own rights, leaving any dogmatic debate outside. Open-mindness is really a quality a treasure above everything else, and I’m glad that, during this playthrough, no one raised a burning stake or started a witch hunt, like unfortunately happened back then, when the game was released. With that being said, I want to warn you that I’m also a convinced optimist, thus I truly believe that someday we will see a Gabriel Knight 4. Therefore, rather than examine the ending of the game – which, I remark, I found simply mesmerizing and utterly fascinating – from a factual perspective (what happened), I will instead try to answer three questions. I hope that the questions and the answers, which are personal, though, will help to shed a light on what we might expect from the hypothetical fourth and fifth chapter of the series – as Jane always said to have other two stories already in mind –, while delving a bit in the mysterious finale itself, which, while resolving many doubts, left many doors ajar. First Question – Who is Gabriel’s ancestor? The first, simple answer is that he is an unnamed soldier whose sole relevance is to be the starter of the Ritter family tree. I always found this answer, while possible, a bit unsatisfactory. So, let’s assume for a moment that this soldier is someone. Who he might be? We are in a wildly speculative field, I know, but let’s say that he is the most famous soldier present at the Crucifixion, the one that acknowledged his error and asked for mercy. Let’s say he is Longinus. A quick research on Wikipedia tells us that Quote:
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Question Two – Why Asmodeus is relevant?
Let’s take a look, for a moment, at the legend of the spear without considering the end of Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned. There is a conspiracy theory for everything and of course also for Longinus’ spear. In 1973, a theory about the lance surfaced thanks to Trevor Ravenscroft. I always quote from Wikipedia: Quote:
Who is Asmodeus? Once again, Wikipedia is our friend: Quote:
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Question Three – What about ghosts? I already pointed out (here and here) my thoughts about the William Butler Yeats-Madame Blavatsky asset, and I stand by my point: this theory has a distinct apocalyptic feeling to it. But what has it to do with ghosts? Maybe it's time to see who the mysterious Madame Blavatsky was, because it's not by a total fluke, I reckon, that she is well mentioned in SIDney. From Wikipedia: Quote:
1) Borrowing the idea from Paganism and Shamanism, Theosophists believed in the existence of spiritual planes, where spiritual entities and energies dwell. Depending on the person's belief system, these range from the souls of the dead to Gods, Demons and Noumena. 2) In these realm, there is a hierarchy, atop of which seat the Masters of Wisdom, incorporeal beings whose purpose is to help Humanity achieving a superior consciousness. 3) The theory of the Seven Rays: Blavatsky wrote in the first book of The Secret Doctrine of an "analogy between the Brahmanical and the Egyptian esotericism" and that the "seven rays of the Chaldean Heptakis or Iao, on the Gnostic stones" represent the seven large stars of the Egyptian "Great Bear" constellation, the seven elemental powers, and the Hindu "seven Rishis." She stated that the seven rays of the Vedic sun deity Vishnu represent the same concept as the "astral fluid or 'Light' of the Kabalists," and that the seven emanations of the lower seven sephiroth are the "primeval seven rays," and "will be found and recognized in every religion." In Theosophy, the Seven Rays are said to be seven major types of Light-Substance (spirit/matter) (waves/particles) that compose the created universes. These are also believed to convey "Divine Qualities". Obviously, We are not talking about Conan Doyle or Edith Warthon or even Henry James’ ghosts, but about a metaphysical belief in a spiritual plane of existence, a plane inhabited by powerful entities that the theosophic societies of the XIX century believe to be able to use to communicate with greater powers or to predict what was next to come (see, in the second post I linked, the «gyre» theory). Given that Jane has never chosen the easy way to approach her supernatural subject, I think that Madame Blavatsky (whose presence on SIDney I see as an hint) and her theosophical beliefs would have been central in Gabriel Knight 4. And maybe they will.
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These are only speculations, of course, and I’d be perfectly satisfied even if the direction taken will (or would) be another one, but what is really amazing is how rich the game is and how many theories can flourish from its subtext. And this – apart from Jane’s masterful writing and from her splendid characters – is a testament to Gabriel Knight's depth and wonder.
I'm eager to hear your comments!
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07-14-2009, 11:00 AM | #235 |
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Great playthrough and guidance by Andrea! Although I didn't actually replay GK3, I followed along on here and watched some playthrough videos on youtube.
This game gets criticized for technical flaws, but to me those don't detract from what is an outstanding experience. Maybe the best GK story of the three.
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07-14-2009, 02:36 PM | #236 |
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Thanks Andrea for hosting this playthrough. This playthrough has helped make this game a much more enjoyable experience for me. And thanks for your very insightful posts. They were a very interesting read. You've certainly done your homework. All these facts, theories, speculations etc. just make me wish and hope, that one day, Gabriel Knight 4 will see the light of day. There are soooo many fantastic, in-depth stories waiting to be told in the world of Gabriel Knight.
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Well done, Andrea. Though I've played through the game about 8 times already, I've been following this thread from time to time. I think it belongs in a permanent Gabriel Knight archives, as it's a brilliant collection of all the details that make the game so unforgettable. All the expounding and background on the art and history is impressively researched and well-presented.
Count me in as one of those who always holds a bit of hope that a 4th Gabriel Knight game may yet happen. |
07-15-2009, 11:25 AM | #238 |
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Great stuff Andrea. Afraid I didn't have time to actually take part in the playthrough, but I was very interested in following the comments (especially your own theories and insights) on here on a regular basis. In terms of the depth and complexity of story, I don't think there's anything I know of which reaches the level of GK3, even though GK2 remains my (narrow) favourite. As others have commented, it'd be great if one day we managed a GK4, but as things stand, I'll be happy if we manage to see "Grey Matter" reach the light of day within the next year.
And as there's obviously been a previous GK1 playthrough, it'd also be cool if Andrea managed to do a GK2 walkthrough at some point in the future. Narrowly wins my overall favourite, partly I'm sure to do with the fact that I live in Munich. But also whilst GK3 did suffer a bit with the 3D technology, GK2 was an extremely successful use of the FMV technology. |
07-17-2009, 08:45 AM | #239 |
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For Your Consideration
Throughout this playthrough, I was greatly helped by other fans of the Gabriel Knight trilogy, and I must publicly thank them. Believe me, this is not a subtle form of advertising and if you are interested in Gabriel Knight I’m sure you will find these sites as interesting as I do. The Gabriel Knight 4 Campaign is the home for every fan of Gabe and Grace who isn’t ready to give up the hope to see a fourth chapter. Less focused on the campaign and more on the universe of the three games, with articles about the real-life locations, the myths behind Jane’s stories and the historical figures, the site is a really valuable source of information. The forum is a nice place to visit and it hosts the archives of the old official board now defunct, which is literally filled with info and speculations. The Sierra Help Pages offer a priceless help to anyone who, like me, has often problems running the old games. The pages dedicated to Gabriel Knight are very rich, with links to the official demos, walkthroughs, UHS hint files and plenty of other goodies. The Pendulum of Life is perhaps the most comprehensive and complete catalog of pictures, artworks, sketches, videos and unreleased beta material one can find about Gabriel Knight. Its administrator, Belbor, is a great artist and here you can admire his gorgeous and visually stunning fan art material. Last but no least, Bonny's Site is a wonderful fan-site devoted not only to Gabriel Knight, but its section about the game is extremely rich in Easter eggs, fun stuff and it contains a detailed action playthrough. Furthermore, Bonny is an incredible art researcher and she has collected every work of art one can find in Blood of the Sacred, Blood of the Damned. She is the one responsible for finding the answer to the Woman with Red Umbrella obsession. Finally, as in the glorious Sierra tradition, the manual of the game includes a nice bibliography, but I'd like to add a couple of more resources for those of you who might be interested: On Rennes-le-Chateau:
On the legends of the Graal:
On Vampires:
With this being said and done, if no one has questions, I shall consider this playthrough finished. It has been a real pleasure, for me. And thanks for joining me and Gabriel!
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Did you manage to find anything out about those points i asked you about?
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