Metal Gear

PsychoGoatee · 03-09-2006, 02:51 AM

Thought I'd make a topic about my favorite series of games... Metal Gear. Tactical espionage action is indeed a genre unto itself. It doesn't play anything like the other "stealth" games to follow MGS, like Splinter Cell or Tenchu.

The games are almost divided into 3 even parts... 1: amazing story told through thrilling cutscenes or radio conversation. 2: Sneaking around, using your trusty cardboard box as a disguise, or just killing everyone with a silenced Socom... and 3: at least 7 epic boss encounters, that take geniune strategy and have lots of replayability.

Metal Gear Solid 4 has more potential than any other game in development right now, for me at least. The trailer is stunning, and is indeed running real-time on PS3 hardware, as Kojima showed in a live demonstration.

Most importantly, the games have soul. Solid Snake, or "Dave" as few people know him by, is the most human character I've seen in an action game. He ages, and changes from game to game. In MGS4 he's a silverhaired man who looks about 60 years old. Of course, he's a clone of a legendary soldier so he ages faster than regular folk. What do you think about Metal Gear?

"Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." - Solid Snake

wilco · 03-09-2006, 04:10 AM

I like the sneaking around and survival aspect of MGS3, but they are pretty average, for me, its the fantastic story and boss battles that really bring the game to another level. Can't wait for MGS4, also. I'm also curious on how MS3: Subsistence will be, with the new camera and online play.

Lucien21 · 03-09-2006, 09:41 AM

Metal Gear Solid was ace and as much as I thought MGS2 was excellent towards the end the neverending mind numbing and completely baffling cutscenes were too much to bear.

Never played MGS3.

usman · 03-09-2006, 10:29 AM

I hope MGS 3 will also out for PC

MoriartyL · 03-09-2006, 10:41 AM

It is certainly split into three parts, but you've incorrectly identified them.

Stealth, much like Splinter Cell. The difference comes from the Western/Eastern split, that's all.
Radio drama
Film

Karmillo · 03-09-2006, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucien21

Metal Gear Solid was ace and as much as I thought MGS2 was excellent towards the end the neverending mind numbing and completely baffling cutscenes were too much to bear.

Thats probably because the tanker was meant to be all of it, but they realised it was way too short so slapped some stupid conspiracy thing on at the end.

PsychoGoatee · 03-10-2006, 01:05 AM

MoriartyL, you forgot about the countless amazing boss battles in the MGS series. They are a huge part of the appeal.

RLacey · 03-10-2006, 01:33 AM

I dunno... I seem to dislike the aspects of the MGS series that others like the most

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For the record, I'm not a big fan of boss battles in any context, but some of the MGS ones are downright mean in places. And I always think that the story would make for a pretty bad film (which is surely the criteria by which the designers would like it to be judged).

That said, I'm a huge fan of the sneaking bits

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Chaosphere · 03-10-2006, 02:34 AM

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MoriartyL · 03-10-2006, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PsychoGoatee

MoriartyL, you forgot about the countless amazing boss battles in the MGS series. They are a huge part of the appeal.

I didn't forget about anything. That's part of the stealth section. I know it's straight action, whereas the rest is stealth, but this is a game from Japan we're talking about; any type of action game (including stealth) has to have boss battles.

Karmillo · 03-10-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RLacey

I dunno... I seem to dislike the aspects of the MGS series that others like the most

.

For the record, I'm not a big fan of boss battles in any context, but some of the MGS ones are downright mean in places. And I always think that the story would make for a pretty bad film (which is surely the criteria by which the designers would like it to be judged).

That said, I'm a huge fan of the sneaking bits

.

You calling Escape from LA a bad movie!?

Dasilva · 03-10-2006, 04:08 PM

I want a MGS movie.

PsychoGoatee · 03-10-2006, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MoriartyL

I didn't forget about anything. That's part of the stealth section. I know it's straight action, whereas the rest is stealth, but this is a game from Japan we're talking about; any type of action game (including stealth) has to have boss battles.

Because its straight up, all out action... you can't file it under the stealth catagory. Its a different section. Hehe, and its not really true that Japanese action games need boss fights. But I'm assuming you're joking about that.

MoriartyL · 03-11-2006, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by PsychoGoatee

Because its straight up, all out action... you can't file it under the stealth catagory. Its a different section. Hehe, and its not really true that Japanese action games need boss fights. But I'm assuming you're joking about that.

No, I'm not joking. Maybe a slight exaggeration, but only slight. The boss fight is a time-honored tradition. They very often involve different mechanics than the game proper, so you can't read too much into it. The bosses are fought with the same interface as the rest of the game, therefore it must be grouped together with it. Because the boss fights are short, they do not affect the classification of the stealth section. And stealth is a type of action game, so having straight boss battles really isn't much of a stretch. You have any sort of Japanese action game, even stealth, and it's expected that you'll have a few boss battles. That's all there is to it.

Now, including long film and audio drama cutscenes, on the other hand... that's unique.

jjacob · 03-11-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dasilva

I want a MGS movie.

Would it be as incomprehensible as the games?

Karmillo · 03-11-2006, 07:45 PM

Watch this movie, its Awesome

Chaosphere · 03-12-2006, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Karmillo

Watch this movie, its Awesome

I've already linked to it.

Karmillo · 03-12-2006, 02:03 PM

Well it deserves a second one

sethsez · 03-14-2006, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by RLacey

I always think that the story would make for a pretty bad film (which is surely the criteria by which the designers would like it to be judged).

Actually, Kojima's said a few times that his goal is to make stories that work best as videogames and wouldn't work elsewhere.

Also, I like the second half of MGS2.

custard · 03-14-2006, 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Dasilva

I want a MGS movie.

I'm pretty sure David Hayter who does the english voice of Snake wants to do one ¬¬

03-09-2006, 02:51 AM	#1
PsychoGoatee Wandering Swordsman Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Shapier Posts: 38	Metal Gear Thought I'd make a topic about my favorite series of games... Metal Gear. Tactical espionage action is indeed a genre unto itself. It doesn't play anything like the other "stealth" games to follow MGS, like Splinter Cell or Tenchu. The games are almost divided into 3 even parts... 1: amazing story told through thrilling cutscenes or radio conversation. 2: Sneaking around, using your trusty cardboard box as a disguise, or just killing everyone with a silenced Socom... and 3: at least 7 epic boss encounters, that take geniune strategy and have lots of replayability. Metal Gear Solid 4 has more potential than any other game in development right now, for me at least. The trailer is stunning, and is indeed running real-time on PS3 hardware, as Kojima showed in a live demonstration. Most importantly, the games have soul. Solid Snake, or "Dave" as few people know him by, is the most human character I've seen in an action game. He ages, and changes from game to game. In MGS4 he's a silverhaired man who looks about 60 years old. Of course, he's a clone of a legendary soldier so he ages faster than regular folk. What do you think about Metal Gear? "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." - Solid Snake Share Share this post on Twitter

03-09-2006, 04:10 AM	#2
wilco Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 442	I like the sneaking around and survival aspect of MGS3, but they are pretty average, for me, its the fantastic story and boss battles that really bring the game to another level. Can't wait for MGS4, also. I'm also curious on how MS3: Subsistence will be, with the new camera and online play. Share Share this post on Twitter

03-09-2006, 09:41 AM	#3
Lucien21 Psychonaut Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 5,114	Metal Gear Solid was ace and as much as I thought MGS2 was excellent towards the end the neverending mind numbing and completely baffling cutscenes were too much to bear. Never played MGS3. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ I'm not insane, my mother had me tested!

03-09-2006, 10:29 AM	#4
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03-09-2006, 10:41 AM	#5
MoriartyL Not like them! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Israel Posts: 2,570	It is certainly split into three parts, but you've incorrectly identified them. Stealth, much like Splinter Cell. The difference comes from the Western/Eastern split, that's all. Radio drama Film Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ -Mory My first game My second game My third game

03-10-2006, 01:05 AM	#7
PsychoGoatee Wandering Swordsman Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Shapier Posts: 38	MoriartyL, you forgot about the countless amazing boss battles in the MGS series. They are a huge part of the appeal. Share Share this post on Twitter

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RLacey The Thread™ will die. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 22,542	I dunno... I seem to dislike the aspects of the MGS series that others like the most . For the record, I'm not a big fan of boss battles in any context, but some of the MGS ones are downright mean in places. And I always think that the story would make for a pretty bad film (which is surely the criteria by which the designers would like it to be judged). That said, I'm a huge fan of the sneaking bits . Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ RLacey \| Killer of the Thread™ I do not change to be perfect. Perfect changes to be me.

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Dasilva Hitch-Hiker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Mediterranean Sea Posts: 4,364	I want a MGS movie. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Regards, DaSilva "If you don't get out of the box you've been raised in, you won't understand how much bigger the world is." - Angelina Jolie _ <Susan falls through the floor and gets stuck> <Paco looks at her blankly> "Whats wrong with you?! Lassy would of had a firetruck here by now!" - Susan Mayer, Desperate Housewives

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