Michael Jackson

Synesthesia · 06-05-2005, 02:36 PM

Say what you want but he does have some of the best albums ever recorded under his belt.

Erwin_Br · 06-05-2005, 02:42 PM

Not guilty. Or maybe he is, I don't know. Let me put it differently: I don't believe the current prosecutor(s). Especially that woman who is notorious for her suing.

--Erwin

Intrepid Homoludens · 06-05-2005, 04:19 PM

Guilty. You do NOT sleep with the little kids of the very parents who trusted you to take good care of them. You do NOT feed them glasses of wine. You have a great responsibility to your admirers if you are famous, and even if you suffer from the stress that entails, you do NOT abuse your fame and use it as some excuse to take liberties with innocents.

Sage · 06-05-2005, 04:19 PM

Is Michael Jackson a world-class flake who doesn't even have a toe-hold on reality? Yes.
Is he guilty of the child-molestation charges he is currently facing? I kind of doubt it, but I don't know for sure.
Is he a complete idiot for putting himself in situations where these kind of charges can be given any credence at all? Yes, he is.

ScottMate

Watcher of the skies · 06-05-2005, 05:20 PM

I believe it will be not guilty. Don't know if he is or isn't (and don't care; the man[?] is a freak, and if I had kids, I would sooner drown them than let them around him). I think, if he did do it, that these prosecutors have blown the case as badly as the ones who tried O.J. Simpson (IMO,he was guilty as hell).

Mike

mag · 06-05-2005, 06:20 PM

Jackson IS pretty screwed up, and I wouldn't be surprised if he DID molest children at some point. But as far as I can tell, the prosecution hasn't proven that he's guilty. It's basically their word against his. They have no evidence.

Whether or not the jury will find him guilty is kind of hard to say. It would be pretty hard to find a truly objective jury for this case anywhere. Everyone knows that Michael Jackson is a nut. Then again, he does have a LOT of money. And we all know that rich people never go to jail.

mag

DustCropper · 06-05-2005, 09:47 PM

Where is the option for "I don't give a ****!"

SoccerDude28 · 06-05-2005, 11:00 PM

Not guilty. It's sad that people are doing all this crap to him to take his money.

Erwin_Br · 06-06-2005, 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Intrepid Homoludens

Guilty. You do NOT sleep with the little kids of the very parents who trusted you to take good care of them. You do NOT feed them glasses of wine. You have a great responsibility to your admirers if you are famous, and even if you suffer from the stress that entails, you do NOT abuse your fame and use it as some excuse to take liberties with innocents.

But Trep, how do you know they had wine? You're already certain those parents are being honest. If I had any kids I wouldn't let them even near Jackson. Unless I'm in serious need of money*. That fact alone makes those parents highly suspicious in my eyes.

What I'm saying is that the parents of those children aren't really responsible either, to put it mildly. I blame them even more than Jackson, because Jackson has a few loose wires. After what I've heard in the media, I'm starting to believe the parents of those kids are trying to get rich, thus abusing their offspring for their personal gain.

--Erwin

*Not really.

Fairygdmther · 06-06-2005, 05:48 AM

I agree with Scott - He hasn't a clue about the way things might look to the world. I don't think he is guilty of molestation - he probably has no idea what the word means. He had no childhood and I think he is trying to make up for that by playing with kids. He needs a shrink big-time but I really can't ever see him hurting a child. He adores kids.

FGM-Lyn

Ninth · 06-06-2005, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrift Store Scott

Is Michael Jackson a world-class flake who doesn't even have a toe-hold on reality? Yes.
Is he guilty of the child-molestation charges he is currently facing? I kind of doubt it, but I don't know for sure.
Is he a complete idiot for putting himself in situations where these kind of charges can be given any credence at all? Yes, he is.

ScottMate

That's exactly what I think.

AFGNCAAP · 06-06-2005, 06:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairygdmther

He needs a shrink big-time but I really can't ever see him hurting a child. He adores kids.

I agree he doesn't seem able to hurt anybody, especially a child, on purpose. But there are certain moral and legal norms in the society Jackson, as a genuinely (IMO) mentally ill man, does not even try to acknowledge. That, of course, in turn make me totally agree with Erwin on questioning sanity and responsibility of the parents in question (as it is not MJ's first accusation of condemnable behaviour).

Kolzig · 06-06-2005, 10:05 AM

I've always thought that inside Jackson's mind, he's still a young kid. He has never grown up, due to stuff that happened in his childhood etc. That's why he built the Neverland. Also, I do believe that he did not molest any children.

Anyways, his career is pretty much over. It doesn't change anything if he is declared either innocent or guilty.

Intrepid Homoludens · 06-06-2005, 10:11 AM

This is where his fame and eccentricity will [used] against him. Parents' faults, media's fault, fans' fault? To a certain degree. But whether or not he's found gulity, he gravely needs professional help.

Erwin_Br · 06-06-2005, 11:10 AM

Definitely.

--Erwin

06-06-2005, 03:47 PM

Who cares?

squarejawhero · 06-06-2005, 11:59 PM

You should!

If he's proved guilty, he could turn into a giant silver robot and escape! Think of it MAAAAN! The kid's won't be safe anywhere from his lazer vision!

pinkgothic · 06-07-2005, 09:39 AM

In my opinion, what Scott said.

06-07-2005, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fairygdmther

I agree with Scott - He hasn't a clue about the way things might look to the world. I don't think he is guilty of molestation - he probably has no idea what the word means. He had no childhood and I think he is trying to make up for that by playing with kids. He needs a shrink big-time but I really can't ever see him hurting a child. He adores kids.

FGM-Lyn

Oh, so that lets him off the hook? He didn't have a childhood? We should exscuse him because he never got to play with other children? Well, that's fine and dandy. But maybe he needs to realize that he HAS CHILDREN OF HIS OWN, AND IT'S TIME TO GROW UP FOR THEIR SAKE. What kind of example is he setting for his kids? If he needs a shrink that bad, then he should check in to a mental institution for his kids sake. He is not fit to have children or care for others' children.

Just a thought.

squarejawhero · 06-07-2005, 09:53 AM

If it was ANYONE ELSE, then they'd have had their kids taken into care and them checked into a psychiatric ward at the merest hint of something wrong.

But he's "famous", so he gets a big trial, massive fuss... it's easy for us to forget he's human, I wonder how he feels about himself? I think that's an easy question to answer.

People say this courtcase is a ticket to reality for him. To be honest, it's not.

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06-05-2005, 02:36 PM	#1
Synesthesia GamesMaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: England Posts: 24	Michael Jackson Say what you want but he does have some of the best albums ever recorded under his belt. Share Share this post on Twitter

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Erwin_Br Under pressure. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands Posts: 3,773	Not guilty. Or maybe he is, I don't know. Let me put it differently: I don't believe the current prosecutor(s). Especially that woman who is notorious for her suing. --Erwin Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ > Learn more about my forthcoming point & click adventure: Bad Timing! > Or... Visit Adventure Developers: Everything about developing adventure games.

06-05-2005, 04:19 PM	#3
Intrepid Homoludens merely human Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 22,309	Guilty. You do NOT sleep with the little kids of the very parents who trusted you to take good care of them. You do NOT feed them glasses of wine. You have a great responsibility to your admirers if you are famous, and even if you suffer from the stress that entails, you do NOT abuse your fame and use it as some excuse to take liberties with innocents. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ platform: laptop, iPhone 3Gs \| gaming: x360, PS3, psp, iPhone, wii \| blog: a space alien \| book: the moral landscape: how science can determine human values by sam harris \| games: l.a.noire, portal 2, brink, dragon age 2, heavy rain \| sites: NPR, skeptoid, gaygamer \| music: ray lamontagne, adele, washed out, james blake \| twitter: a_space_alien

06-05-2005, 04:19 PM	#4
Sage Bad Influence Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Birmingham, Alabama USA Posts: 5,547	Is Michael Jackson a world-class flake who doesn't even have a toe-hold on reality? Yes. Is he guilty of the child-molestation charges he is currently facing? I kind of doubt it, but I don't know for sure. Is he a complete idiot for putting himself in situations where these kind of charges can be given any credence at all? Yes, he is. ScottMate Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Ignorance is bliss, denial is divine, and willful ignorance is a religious experience. Share the love. <3

06-05-2005, 05:20 PM	#5
Watcher of the skies Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 176	I believe it will be not guilty. Don't know if he is or isn't (and don't care; the man[?] is a freak, and if I had kids, I would sooner drown them than let them around him). I think, if he did do it, that these prosecutors have blown the case as badly as the ones who tried O.J. Simpson (IMO,he was guilty as hell). Mike Share Share this post on Twitter

06-05-2005, 06:20 PM	#6
mag Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,913	Jackson IS pretty screwed up, and I wouldn't be surprised if he DID molest children at some point. But as far as I can tell, the prosecution hasn't proven that he's guilty. It's basically their word against his. They have no evidence. Whether or not the jury will find him guilty is kind of hard to say. It would be pretty hard to find a truly objective jury for this case anywhere. Everyone knows that Michael Jackson is a nut. Then again, he does have a LOT of money. And we all know that rich people never go to jail. mag Share Share this post on Twitter

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Fairygdmther Magic Wand Waver Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sarasota, Florida Posts: 3,142	I agree with Scott - He hasn't a clue about the way things might look to the world. I don't think he is guilty of molestation - he probably has no idea what the word means. He had no childhood and I think he is trying to make up for that by playing with kids. He needs a shrink big-time but I really can't ever see him hurting a child. He adores kids. FGM-Lyn Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Nothing can bring you peace but yourself. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Kolzig The Reggienator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vaasa, Finland Posts: 5,519	I've always thought that inside Jackson's mind, he's still a young kid. He has never grown up, due to stuff that happened in his childhood etc. That's why he built the Neverland. Also, I do believe that he did not molest any children. Anyways, his career is pretty much over. It doesn't change anything if he is declared either innocent or guilty. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ "The old standby, that never got old in the first place. We come back to them weekly, nightly, for hours at a time--and they always deliver. They are pure, timeless, and often taken for granted." - Nick Breckon - Shacknews My gamesale list updated 26.8.2007 Hey, dear people please buy my games, I need money to conquer Europe! Or do something similar.

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Intrepid Homoludens merely human Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 22,309	This is where his fame and eccentricity will [used] against him. Parents' faults, media's fault, fans' fault? To a certain degree. But whether or not he's found gulity, he gravely needs professional help. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ platform: laptop, iPhone 3Gs \| gaming: x360, PS3, psp, iPhone, wii \| blog: a space alien \| book: the moral landscape: how science can determine human values by sam harris \| games: l.a.noire, portal 2, brink, dragon age 2, heavy rain \| sites: NPR, skeptoid, gaygamer \| music: ray lamontagne, adele, washed out, james blake \| twitter: a_space_alien

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squarejawhero Epinionated. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: London Posts: 5,841	You should! If he's proved guilty, he could turn into a giant silver robot and escape! Think of it MAAAAN! The kid's won't be safe anywhere from his lazer vision! Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Starter of Thread Must Die.

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squarejawhero Epinionated. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: London Posts: 5,841	If it was ANYONE ELSE, then they'd have had their kids taken into care and them checked into a psychiatric ward at the merest hint of something wrong. But he's "famous", so he gets a big trial, massive fuss... it's easy for us to forget he's human, I wonder how he feels about himself? I think that's an easy question to answer. People say this courtcase is a ticket to reality for him. To be honest, it's not. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Starter of Thread Must Die.