[Kingzjester]

I saw that movie recently and I must give my piece o' eight somewhere to someone. Hey! How about YOU! Yes, you there! You have some free time, so listen. The movie is an arrogant load of tripe crowned with the worst moral this side of Nazi propaganda, God loves middle-class wasps with petty problems.

Why would anyone want to be God? According to the movie (we should all be perfectly aware that in real life God doesn't give but a damn -- this I base on scrutiny of the history of mankind, ho hum), there is too much responsibility involved: listening to prayers, taking care of things, making the sun rise in the morning, keeping the sky from falling on our heads, and being full of love for every last aborted fetus and Old World monkey... all that seems very tedious. If I were given the option to be God, I would likely say, 'No, thanks! I'd rather I sit here, enjoy the infomercials, and wait for another offer.'

I would make a great Satan, you'd have to agree. Why not be Satan if the opportunity arises? He set up no impossible-to-meet guidelines for us, he never threatened us with never-ending pain and suffering, he never tried to teach us a lesson - he is just a prankster. You have to admit he's a hellova good one. Makes me ROTF,L and LOL all the freakin' time. And what was his crime, to be so blacklisted in the annals of Christianity? He wanted independence. That is all. He was sick of all the Glorious Heavenly Bullshit, wanted to listen to his own drummer, so, to quote Milton's Satan:

Here we may reign secure; and in my choice
To reign is worth ambition, though in hell:
Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven.

His drive to turn us all into sinners is nothing more than a manifestation of his gregariousness: Lucifer wants all of mankind to keep him company. You know, I wouldn't want to hurt people I am looking forward to hanging out with. I like my house to be tidy and pleasant and comfortable. Likewise, Hell isn't likely to be a place as horrible as God's camp makes it seem. You have to remember that the Church has for a very long time held - as it does still, among other nonsensical dogmas - that sex in and of itself is vile and evil and impure... Don't know about you, to me orgasms are nifty things. Making love feels good to both parties and it is the only way to extend our species. The only bad thing that comes to mind about sex is that its a little silly-looking... Even the Church cannot hide the fact that Jesus is coming all the time* - and yet, if it is willing to throw dirt at something positive facets of which can be accounted for by earthly means, what is to prevent it from slandering the house of Satan, of which we really have no direct knowledge?

*) bling bling can't be wrong:


And a further note to all y'all talking about how horrible Sonic was in emma's thread: I'm not talking Hitler here, I am a fucking Lucifer cheerleader. It can't get any worse than that!

[Ninth]

You don't need to cheer Lucifer, Kingz, he always wins anyway...
And Bruce Almighy was indeed mightily annoying .

[Wormsie]

Originally Posted by Kingzjester

Lucifer wants all of mankind to keep him company.

I'm not surprised. It must be pretty lonely in Hell these days, as everyone goes to Heaven after death, anyway. In this respect the Middle Ages were a lot better era for him.

[mycroft]

Originally Posted by deadworm222

I'm not surprised. It must be pretty lonely in Hell these days, as everyone goes to Heaven after death, anyway. In this respect the Middle Ages were a lot better era for him.

Fool.

[Erwin_Br]

The movie is an arrogant load of tripe crowned with the worst moral this side of Nazi propaganda, God loves middle-class wasps with petty problems.

You could assign a lot of different morals to this movie if you wanted, but I don't think Bruce Almighty was intended to be moralistic. It's just about having fun with unlimited powers. It could have easily been a Superman parody, except Superman's powers are too limited. (I haven't seen him perform a boob job jet, so...)'

--Erwin

[Ninth]

Originally Posted by Erwin_Br

You could assign a lot of different morals to this movie if you wanted, but I don't think Bruce Almighty was intended to be moralistic. It's just about having fun with unlimited powers.

For about half of the movie it is, but for the rest of the time (including the infamous last 30 minutes, especially when he goes to see his girlfriend and she's praying for him ) it is moralistic. I haven't seen such an over-zealous sugar-coated moral and religious righteousness in a movie in a long time, and I go and see american movies often .
To think that I actually liked Jim Carey before Bruce...

[Pappapisshu]

Kingz: Speaking of Satan, your avatar is devilishly cool. I want it.

[emma]

To be perfectly honest, the very thought of a God, must be so extremely larger than any human ideas, the idea of heaven and hell, Gods and so on, is beyond our understanding. Heaven and/or Hell isn't real, in any other way than that we use the words to express how we find situations today, here and now, which really is the only base of reference we have.

Currently, I'm trying to figure out why people see ghosts, (and yes I've actually encountered that myself) and have a sneaky suspicion that the fabrics between the, yes here it comes, paralell universes, lmao, perhaps grows thin once in a while and you can see/hear ghostly appearances from our neighbor universe. Now, this is something I'm toying around with in my head. It's not the truth, although it's pretty basic scientific stuff nowadays, with the paralell universe kind of a thing, still not the truth though.

What I'm trying to say, is that even though something might not turn out to be the ultimate truth or anything like that, the beliefs we carry around are as real as the hands I'm using to type this with. So regardless if there is a God or isn't, it's too easy to use our own beliefs to disproof somebody elses ditto.

And yes, I'd say that the heavenly benefits have always come off as a tad boring, whereas hell is described a sinful, and let's face it, FUN place. But that's society talking, isn't it? I mean, you're supposed to be good, wether God decided that or not, it's a practical impossibility if we don't at least try to stick to the ten commandments. And the things that are a little bit exciting, that some regards as the road to hell, is merely a precaution to keep us on the straight and narrow, for the sake as the society as a whole? I doubt very much that a supreme being would find my indulgence in out-of-marriage sex, to be something to condemn me for.

But, again, that's my belief.

[Ninth]

Originally Posted by emma

What I'm trying to say, is that even though something might not turn out to be the ultimate truth or anything like that, the beliefs we carry around are as real as the hands I'm using to type this with. So regardless if there is a God or isn't, it's too easy to use our own beliefs to disproof somebody elses ditto.

It's also too easy to try to force your faith into others.
I don't mind religions (they annoy me, but nothing dire), as long as their believers don't think themselves something more than others. Like in this bloody movie. Or when some murderous fools crash themselves into a building to destroy low-life infidels. I know this comparaison is far-fetched, but I can still see a connection.

[ysbreker]

read neal stephensons snowcrash, it's got some nice thoughts about religion and language hidden in it. (and a great cyberpunk story to boot )

[ragnar]

I think god(s) (and devils for that matter) are invented because people have problems to cope with the world as it is and thus invent something nonreal so that they don't need to change their views of the world.

[Zanthia]

Currently, I'm trying to figure out why people see ghosts, (and yes I've actually encountered that myself) and have a sneaky suspicion that the fabrics between the, yes here it comes, paralell universes, lmao, perhaps grows thin once in a while and you can see/hear ghostly appearances from our neighbor universe

Because ghosts most often occure in ald abandoded houses that can as well be mushrooms.

[Erwin_Br]

Originally Posted by Ninth

It's also too easy to try to force your faith into others.
I don't mind religions (they annoy me, but nothing dire), as long as their believers don't think themselves something more than others. Like in this bloody movie. Or when some murderous fools crash themselves into a building to destroy low-life infidels. I know this comparaison is far-fetched, but I can still see a connection.

Maybe you're taking the movie too serious? It's supposed to exaggerate, you know.

I mean, I can't STAND people trying to force their believes on others or who think they are better because they believe but I wasn't the slightest annoyed during the last 30 minutes of the movie just because there was some exaggerating praying and worshipping in there.

This movie wasn't Jim Carrey's best, but it's not his worst either and I had a pretty good time.

--Erwin

[Ninth]

Originally Posted by Erwin_Br

Maybe you're taking the movie too serious? It's supposed to exaggerate, you know.

I don't think so, but since I have no way to prove my point, I'll leave it at that.
Maybe one day I'll stop being lazy, and I'll try to find quotes from the movie to drime home my point. You know, I really thought I was going to have a good time, when I went to this movie, thus my surprise at being constantly aggressed by religious messages.

[Henke]

So Bruce Almighty is worth watching then after all (and I thought it looked like another totally worthless american comedy, silly me).

[Kolzig]

I just watched Bruce Almighty yesterday, I thought it was ok.

It had it's moments.

[Tamara]

I agree with Ninth, it was *way* preachy in the last part. And IMO it was a pretty crappy movie all through -- a completely wasted opportunity, a criminally underdeveloped version of what could have been a great film.

[remixor]

Judging from the trailers, Bruce Almighty is the sort of movie I'd be reluctant to see, even if the theatre was paying me.

[Wormsie]

Originally Posted by mycroft

Fool.

Would you care to be a bit more specific?

[Curt]

Originally Posted by Zanthia

Because ghosts most often occure in ald abandoded houses that can as well be mushrooms.

Strike me down, Babelfish!

Zanthia, that is priceless. Please don't try to explain it though, I'm having too much fun trying to figure it out myself.

And no offence intended btw.