Dave Gilbert – Wadjet Eye Games interview

Dave Gilbert - EGX Rezzed 2019 interview
Dave Gilbert - EGX Rezzed 2019 interview

Intricate storylines, nuanced characters, and beautiful 2D environments. When you think of Wadjet Eye Games, all of these elements spring to mind. So it was with some surprise to hear that the latest sci-fi production they’re working on, Technobablyon: Birthright, a sequel to James Dearden’s 2015 Technobablyon, would be in 3D. Curious to find out more, I sought out acclaimed writer/designer Dave Gilbert at EGX Rezzed in London to chat about revising people’s perception of his studio, Unavowed’s huge success, and what indie developers should be doing in this day and age to get their games noticed.
 



Laura Cress: Hi Dave! So, you’ve announced that Technobablyon 2 is going to be in 3D. Can you tell me more about the decision behind that?

Dave Gilbert: It’s just another way of making a game. We’ve been doing the same type of game for a long time. I feel like we’d kind of plateaued; even though Unavowed did do much better than expected, that was kind of an outlier. I was kind of fighting the constraints of flat 2D environments with Unavowed and so this just seems like the natural progression. We've been doing the same thing for 13 years, and the tools to do 3D are much better. Ben [Chandler, Wadjet Eye artist] has learned how to do it and it looks pretty good, and so we've figured, well, now's the time since we have money in the bank from Unavowed. The retro label is something that's been given to us; it's something that we haven't sought out ourselves. I never think of our games as retro. I always consider our designs quite modern in terms of design. But some people say they're retro or throwbacks to nostalgia or love letters to the golden age. I'm like no! They're not!

Laura: Are you annoyed that people say that?

Dave: I'm not annoyed, it's just that that's not what we're trying to do. But, they look like that. And I can't deny that's what they look like, and these two things I haven't been able to reconcile. So I thought, well, maybe it's time to try to do something a little more modern, a little less retro in presentation at least. I do know in Unavowed I was struggling with that a little bit, because I wanted to have this feeling of travelling with these companions, your friends, and they'd banter and talk around you as you did things, but it didn't really work because of the 2D. Sure, they would talk, but they would just stand still while you wandered around the screen, and as soon as you did anything, it would interrupt them, and that did annoy a lot of people.

Laura: So part of the reason behind the change was to rectify that?

Dave: Sure. If it was a more 3D environment where you could walk and explore while your friends are chattering around you – that's what I was going for. And so I was talking with Ben and thought, why don't we just do that?! (laughs) It's sort of scary because we've been doing this one specific thing for a long time, but I don't think our games are successful because of the 2D. I think if you're only playing our games because they have the retro look then that makes me sad because there's a lot more to them than that!

Early work-in-progress screenshot from the upcoming Technobabylon: Birthright, Wadjet Eye's first adventure in realtime 3D


Laura: When it was announced that you were looking to make Birthright in 3D, people started throwing up the old comparisons of adventure games that moved to 3D but didn’t do as well, like Escape from Monkey Island

Dave: Yes, I was like, oh sure, bring up Escape from Monkey Island. I'll try and make my game like one of the most reviled games in existence. Thank you! (laughs) The tools are different now. You can make good games in 3D very easily now. Most adventures are in 3D and they look great. I think Escape from Monkey Island came out literally twenty years ago – we can do better now. I joke that in 2006 I made a game that looked like it came out 15 years earlier and we're technically doing the same thing now: making a game that looks like it came out in the early mid-2000s!

Laura: Whereabouts are you in terms of development for the game?

Dave: It's hard to say because there's so much to tweak and change. We're about a third of the way through the design. There's a lot of recurring areas that we reuse. It was a big learning curve in terms of how to get everything made. At GDC Ben described it much better because he's the artist, but basically at one point he realised he'd learned so much that the way he was doing things was completely wrong – it was taking too long and looked ugly and so he re-did it all in a month!

Laura: Will this be a direct sequel to Technobablyon?

Dave: Yes. You only play as one of the three characters though; Technobablyon had three characters and you bounced between them. In the sequel you just play as Latha, who has just joined the police force, and so she's kind of finding her way. She's a cool character. And now that we're using 3D, there's a lot more we can do with The Trance as well. That's what I loved about Technobablyon – whenever I give James [Dearden, of developer Technocrat Games] feedback, it's just "more Trance!"

In the Technobabylon sequel, the protagonist Latha will have full freedom of movement at the range


Laura: Will the sequel have a branch of endings like Technobablyon did?

Dave: Yes it will, and we've managed to do something clever where you can choose which ending you had originally chosen in the original. There's some very subtle branching paths.

Laura: Can you tell me anything more about the "Birthright" part of the title?

Dave: I can't really say without spoiling it! I don't want to speak for James; I think I know where he's going with the title because I know the story, but I don't want to spoil it!

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Comments

Draiden Draiden
Apr 17, 2019

Nice interview. Dave has been working hard making good games and it’s gratifying to see him succeed and use that success to try for new and greater things. I want to play something like the Longest Journey or Anachronox again, here’s hoping Wadjet explores that territory!

novurdim
Apr 17, 2019

A very interesting interview, thank you. I should finally get around playing Unavowed and the first TechoBabylon.

syn syn
Apr 18, 2019

wadjeteye are the best developers right now

scorp18 scorp18
Apr 18, 2019

Very nice interview! I really liked Technobabylon but I wasn’t much into Unavowed because of the threaded story. I like more linear ones but anyway. They’ve been making quality games and I’m really looking forward to playing Birthright!
I also remember a comment in their forum about “pixel-art” telling that they weren’t doing it for the art part but because it was easier, faster and, as a result, cheaper to finish a 2D “pixel-art” game than a 3D game. I’d like to see a 2.5D game from them actually… I think it’s the best style for an adventure game. Well, whatever… I really wish them the best of luck because they like what they do and they do it well!!!

Florus Florus
Apr 23, 2019

Really like his games (especially the Blackwell series) and now also like the guy who made them even more. Great interview. Was always wondering what his ideas were behind unavowed and this was very enlightening.

Tamiil
Apr 23, 2019

Personally I don’t really care how their games look. What make them great is the story, writing, fantastic voice acting and solid gameplay. If these things stay intact in their transition to 3D, then bring it on I say. Smile

Fox
Apr 26, 2019

Nice interview! Keep up with the awesome work for the adventure community! Smile

Export Export
May 3, 2019

I’m a huge fan of Wadjet Eye’s stuff and my favourite one is Technobabylon. One thing I’m a little surprised Dave didn’t bring up here is that James Dearden’s original idea for Technobabylon was that the real world would be 2D graphics whereas the Trance would be 3D, so the shift to 3D isn’t totally out of the blue.

Anyway, I’m really looking forward to this game. It’s a shame that you don’t play as Max (who’s basically perfect <3) but that’s just a minor thing. I can’t wait to see where they go next with the story and puzzles.

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