oh neat, just noticed this about moebius (maybe im slow): the reflection of the girl running in the water seems to be dressed from a different time period or somthing.

Kolorabi : No, if the goal is reached all 3 games will be made. If you are just interested in one of them you choose the U$ 16 option and choose the game you want. It also increases the chances of the game you are interested in being the first out. You are paying 16 bucks for a 60 panel game(same lenght as GK 1) and that is fair. Actually, more than fair because it is a Jane Jensen game.

Granted, Anglophile is really not the kind of Jane Jensen game people want(I think). I'm interested in Moebius and GM 2, on that order. Brittish soap operas are not my forte... and Jane Austen? ugh. I guess there will be a female fanbase for that though. No problem.

This.

And Gray Matter was brilliant. I worship Gabriel Knight but I really can't understand all the people who seem to dislike anything that is different than the trilogy. And just because someone doesn't like a "goth chick" it hardly means that the game would be bad :crazy:.

What I'm saying is, she can't lose. And because she made a game that was revered back in the 90's, people are willing to give away their money. It's kind of like investing in the stock market, except if the stock goes up you don't really gain anything other than lunch with Jane Jenson. (and that's only if you contribute 10,000 dollars!)

I'm not saying she's not sincere, and I'm not trying to troll here. I also hope folks that contribute get their moneys worth. It's certainly none of my business what people do with their money. I just find it kind of odd that people are so willing to part with their cash so easily on a product that hasn't been proven thus far.

No. You get to pre-buy the game. And if you really want to support them you can give them extra.

I don't see why this is so hard to grasp.

There is definitely a female fanbase :D. And not only female, even though Austen or Gothic romance (which Gray Matter pretty much was as a modernized version) etc. aren't as popular as for example football is among men, there still are plenty who appreciate them. Sherlock Holmes, Hercule Poirot and Nostradamus are historical too.

I am having hard time choosing from the games, they all seem very interesting.

mgeorge: Like I said, she is a proven developer. And she is not a one-trick pony as you seem to imply, I would say all 4 of her major adventure games are good to me. Hell, I am willing to fork my bucks for GM 2, even with the emo stuff packed in. It is nowhere near as good as GK but I enjoyed it.

I am paying for 3 new Jane Jensen's games, not for a lottery ticket. I paid for Cognition as well. I am *buying* games, not investing on a ponzi scheme. You seem to resent that kickstarter funded games have more chances of succeeding and that developer/investor risk is near zero... I would say that is a very good thing actually. It is always lamentable when a developer does a good game and goes bust because of the market. You know, just like what happened to the Gabriel knight series...

I love Gothic fiction. GK was gothic fiction... what I dislike is overly romantic, overly sentimental, female perspective Gothic Fiction, as I suspect most men do. :wink:

You see, Gray Matter was good but it nearly reached critical mass on teenage angst, sad songs and tormented and scarred male geniuses who frequently pose naked in shower scenes. The Black Mirror series were the only adventure games I enjoyed more than GM in the past decade or so and it was certainly Gothic.

"Anglophile" sounds like a full-blown girly game. If I understand correctly you play a female lead that screws around Brittish high-society... not my thing.

That's not quite how I understand it. The 16$ option is for one of the games they release this season. If they reach $300k they'll make one of the three alternative concepts this season, plus that kids ebook thingie (obviously I don't want that). And if enough people vote for Anglophile (curse you, female fanbase!! :p ), that'll be the only real option this season.

And if there's a delay and it's pushed into the next season, what then? I don't know.

At least that's how I understand it. So on one hand I really hope the Kickstarter is successful, but on the other I'm wary of contributing myself because I don't know what I'm getting. If it is successful, I might as well just wait and see what they make, and buy it if it interests me.

To me Gray Matter was more of a homage to Jane Eyre, not so much about teenage angst, but each to their own. I never was into half naked boy bands myself at least and I could snicker a bit to the overly dramatic Dr. Styles. Still I loved him like pretty much everything else in the game. Not everything has to be so serious.

You don't have to like the stuff but don't say that only females do :).

I'm 99% sure that Moebius will be the "chosen one", just by looking at feedback on these and other forums. Every GK fan will likely vote for that, and I suspect most supporters will be GK fans. GM will come second. "Anglophile" will not be the choise, rest assured. It just doesn't sound like what we have come to expect from a Jensen game.

I hope someone else clarifies your questions, though. I thought it was clear from the start that 300k was the deal for 3 games, but now I have some questions about it myself. I suppose it is worth supporting the kickstarter just for one game though, be it Moebius or GM 2.

To clarify about the funding goals and three games:

* Lola & Lucy (the ebook) is not really part if this, it just happens to be a project that Pinkerton Road developed before they announced their existence. It will not be funded with Kickstarter donations, and although CSG members can opt to get it, it's not really the focus from an adventure fan's perspective (and Jane knows that).

* If the $300k goal is met, Pinkerton Road will make one of the three concepts that have been presented (Moebius, Gray Matter 2, or the Anglophile game). It also has independent funding, so $300k is not the full budget for that game.

* If $600k is raised, Pinkerton Road will make a second of the three adventure games in the running.

Obviously, the campaign has to meet at least $300k for Pinkerton Road to get any of the money, so there is no danger of donating and not getting an adventure game out of it. Right now the studio is focused on an annual CSG cycle, so the timeframe to have these finished would be by June 2013. But any of the games in the running that don't get made in this cycle could still be made later on.

Hope that clears up the confusion.

(Full disclosure: I am helping with Pinkerton Road's PR, so that's how I know these things. :))

I got a very weird déjÃ* vu experience from fov's post. Can I have a Jensen game about déjÃ* vu? :D Thanks for clarifying and I really hope this one gets some deserved attention and we will see all three games soon. At least I am one of those people who completely missed Cognition and would have donated.

And I also think Moebius is the strongest runner and the Anglophilia the weakest, but I wouldn't completely count out GM2, it is actually quite liked even though lots of people seem to want to preach how it didn't sell at all and everyone hated it. I don't have a personal favourite order myself like I already said.

Thanks fov. Are the games planned to be released this year if the funding is met? Will they be developed back to back if 600k or 900k is reached? Just wondering if we are funding an immediate enterprize or games a couple years in the making. I'm sure others are wondering that as well.

Not that I have anything against taking the time to make the best game, it is just that there are variables we don't know(engine, assets, the size of the team) that could make the development cycle short or long with the planned budget.

Hey, I'm a dude and I resent all these statements about "assumed female fans". I will definitely be supporting this project and voting for Anglophile Adventure to be the first game so it's not just a "girly game".

I love me some sex scandals and small town gossip. I was just talking about Pride and Prejudice last night and how much I liked how sassy Elizabeth is. Sassy victorian ladies = I'm sold.

However, the Moebius game does look intriguing, I haven't played Gray Matter and am waiting for a sale so I wouldn't vote for Gray Matter 2 to be the first game.

The only thing left to decide is if I want to support the $16 or $50 pledge!

It helps. :) I have one more question: What happens if the funding goal is reached but the adventure game for some reason gets delayed and isn't released this "cycle"? Will the contributors have to settle for the ebook game or will they still get an adventure?

I'm honestly not trying to imply that she is a one trick pony. She obviously has many skills in both writing and gameplay.

What I am implying though is that you're investing in 3 games you know nothing about. No one is sure if this project will even get off the ground. What if it doesn't? Do you think she'll write you a personal check for a refund? I highly doubt that, but it does remain to be seen.

Personally I'm not willing to do that on reputation alone, especially after the reception her last game got around here by many. I played the demo and wasn't very impressed myself, but that's just me.

Isn't it a bit optimistic to expect $300,000 by May 19th when she's gotten $17,383 to start and you'd expect the most diehard of followers to have donated early on.

I'd love to see Gray Matter 2 though!

"What I am implying though is that you're investing in 3 games you know nothing about."

Why on earth would you think that? Everyone knows Gray Matter and what to expect of a sequel to that game and what we know of "Moebius" is so very GK-esque like that I guess you can go ahead and call it a "spiritual sucessor" if the prospect of GK4 seems too far away. Being fans of her work we know what to expect from her games.

I don't know, it seems the concept of "Anglophile" is so out of place it is getting some people needlessly nervous... I wouln't be nervous about it myself, it is a given that this concept will not get the majority vote.

Get real people, we will get Moebius with an outside chance of Gray Matter 2... and I don't mind paying for any of the two.

I never played GK1 (only read a novel), and also never played GK2. But I played and absolutely adored GK3. To this day, I consider it the best adventure game ever made with it's intriguing mystery, atmosphere, music, and masterful dialogues.

I would actually never pledged the money to Tim Schaffer/Ron Gilbert (unless it's a new Monkey Island) - I'm not convinced in Double Fine's ability to make an beautiful graphic adventure game (their previous games used just run-of-the-mill 3D graphics) and also, they were aimed at the pre-teenage kids demographics.

Al Lowe's Larry just looks plain stupid to me. Only played the 7th game and I didn't like it too much... I guess since this is going to be a remake, the humour will be a bit outdated too.

I played two Tex Murphy games and I liked it, but it's just too much risk to pledge money thinking that someone can make an enjoyable FMV game in this day and age without being ridiculously cheesy and outdated. It worked back then, but now, it can be a disaster.

The only thing I can almost hundred percent be sure of, is Jane Jensen's ability to create intriguing mature adventures, with great visual style and dark atmosphere. You have my money Jane. I will be pledging 50 - 100$ soon.

20 grant for the first few hours is excellent. The first day isn't even over yet and we still have 45 days to go. Lots of people must be on the fence and not everyone has a funded credit card at hand. I am a die-hard fan and I will only be able to pledge next week, for instance.

Jeez, aren't you people jumpy...

Jane Jensen brings up a lot of emotions. There's a lot of expectations there, so a bit of jumpiness is understandable (though I hope people can take it easy and rational :) )
I can't see it happening that they promise a game and then "whoops, overdue - pay up more for the next cycle, maybe then!" The people doing this are fair people (unless Jane has been running the most elaborate and long-running ponzi-scheme of all times! :P). If there's a delay or something, you'll still get what you payed for.

Am I right, fovsie?

So we will get more information about these projects in the beginning of May? Moebius sounds extremely promising IMO and Gray Matter 2 is obviously a close second. Can't wait to hear more about it. :)

My only concern is since she has full freedom on the development, that is a full classic adventure game in the vein of the GK series (or similar).

Not the casual crap we get today.

Bro, you really don't know what you are missing. You should play the first game ASAP, it is the best in the series and guaranteed to be great entertainment, even if you already know the story from the novel adaptation. Hell, it is probably the best "serious" adventure ever made. Everything about it is awesome, not just the story but also design, graphics, gameplay and puzzles. It is a gem.

As for GK 2, at least watch gameplay videos on youtube. It was an awesome game with an awesome story, even if you don't care for the "b-movieness" of FMV games.

I really love the video. It's great and fun. And the three games look nice. I wouldn't mind a few more details, but I'm sure we'll get those in due time. In those Kickstarter things, you have to keep some cards up your sleeve to keep the interest going over the length of the period; note also that voting for which game to make first will occur before the end of the drive, so I guess people will be able to know exactly what they're pledging for before it ends.

I don't know what some people have against the Anglophile game. Conspiracy theories and stuff can be fun, but I'd love to see Jensen try her hand at something different, and a period drama with some strong characters and social interactions could be fun.

I also wouldn't be too worried about the pledges starting slowly. Bear in mind that it's the middle of the day here in the US and people are at work and don't necessarily have the time to watch the video, read everything and make up their minds. It won't reach the amounts that Double Fine Adventure got, but unless it doesn't even reach 10% of the required amount in 24 hours, there's no reason to get worried.

Note that no money is taken from your account until the end of the Kickstarter drive (and only if the required amount is reached). So you could pledge now even if you don't have the money; all that matters is that you have it by May 19th.

Jaesun, you are openly a raving homossexual and you don't care much for Anglophile, right? I know I shouldn't ask this of you, but tell others to man up and vote for Moebius. :lol:

P.S: I know you from the codex. Guess me.

really the rate of growth is a little too slow right now... but lets keep up the hope and try to spread word and hope this spark catches :)
Statistically, right now the number of backers is alot more important to an early kickstarter than the dollar amount.

I think the only Jensen games associated with conspiracy theories in the true sense of the word are GK3 and(to some extent) Gray Matter. I'm thinking her true trademarks associated with all her works are Gothic fiction and horror influences. Her signature game is probably GK1.

I dunno, nothing wrong with trying something completely new and making a 180 degrees turn, but Anglophile is not what many fans of her previous works want. Just look at how many people in this thread alone are turned off and even *scared* of it being the game they would fund.

Yes. The campaign is raising money to fund specific games, and backers are guaranteed to get those games. She's not going to take the money and run. :devil:

Also, to the point about people not wanting to help fund a game you don't know anything about - that's totally understandable. I found it interesting when Double Fine's Kickstarter went up that Tim said *nothing* about the game he planned to make, other than that it would be a "traditional adventure" -- clearly a lot of people didn't have a problem with that, but it was a gutsy move to ask for money for

In the same vein, there are some people (myself included) who love Jane's work so much it doesn't really matter what the game's about... a traditional "Jane Jensen adventure game" is enough. For others, more details about the games themselves are needed... and that's totally fine (and part of the beauty of Kickstarter, really -- you can follow your gut feeling on the projects that "speak" to you).

Luckily, more details about these games will be revealed before the campaign ends, which will hopefully help people who are on the fence decide if it's really for them or not.

Thanks for the heads up. Pledge given.

This goes to all that like me still haven't received their credit card bills and used up their limit: the money is only charged after the kickstarter is successful so you can pledge now without problem. Your only concern is to have the funds by may 19th.

I doubt the press release has gone out to the big non-adventure game sites yet (or only just very recently). Either that or they for some weird reason refuse to write about it. A search on 'jane jensen' and 'gabriel knight' on gamenewshq.com, which collects game related news, returns nothing except for two posts on reddit.com.

Let's be completely realistic: The Anglophile Adventure will get abysmal votes in comparison to the other two games. And I can be almost 100% sure that the Moebius will be the grand winner, because Jane herself described it as the closest game to GK. And really, there are more GK fans than GM fans out there.

Lets be even more realistic;
If Janes surprise would be "Hey, I need 500 K so I could make GK4",
the sum she has recieved would be 5 times bigger than it is right now. Sure, its nice that
we probably will get a few new games from one of the best game developers ever but I cant help but think that you will pay more for something that you already know and been waiting for, for serveral years than something that is something similar (read Moebius) to a game that has thousands and thousans of hardcore fans.

And I liked Gray Matter, it was a pretty good adventure game, but in comparasion to the GK series... well, I really hope this kickstarter thingie will be rewarding since I want Janes new company to succed but I truly in my heart dont believe it.
And oh, I gave 50 bux.

Gaining the rights to Gabriel Knight from Activision is a complex (and possibly costly) matter.

I'm still behind the Mobeus game. Sounds exactly what I would want from her.

Yes I'm not alone!

People here are so hung up on Gabriel Knight 4. I don't understand it. I have played and enjoyed the first two games and they are great no doubt about that. But why do we always need sequels upon sequels? This is exactly what is wrong with the mainstream gaming industry. This is why I was so excited to fund Doublefine's adventure because I know the game will be good no matter what the subject matter. For the same reason I would have supported this game if all she told us was that the gameplay was going to be a traditional point and click adventure because I have faith in her ability to write a good plot with great characters.

I really think there needs to be more developed romantic relationships in video games so having a game where that is the sole focus of the plot really appeals to me.

A press release will be going out first thing tomorrow morning. :)

Because after all these years I still feel that the story isnt finished. The end of GK3 leaves too much unsaid. Too much loose ends in the relationship between Grace and Gabriel. I, for one, feel no need for a second GM, for example. That story felt finished the way I see it. This goes for several other great games but no way Ms Jensen was finished with her GK story, I wont believe that.

I figured it out. True. I will be playing Gabriel Knight 3 this summer and will get Gray Matter when it goes on sale in preparation for these games so I will reserve judgement until then on the ending of GK3.

However, I really loved Grace in the Beast Within and the dialogue between Grace and the customer in the bookstore about "Figi" was priceless. One of my favorite moments in video games I played last year. I hope Jane brings us more gossipy moments like that about relationships in her next game!

I hope this kickstarter is a big stepping stone toward Jane acquiring the GK rights.

I'm not well versed in the legality of publishing rights or whatever rights they are called, but Activision confuses me. They own the rights to a certain franchise which hasn't been tapped in 13 years. They have no plans to do anything with it. So, why hold on? Why not sell off the rights to someone who will take care of the franchise while you stick to making your Call of Duty games?

Just doesn't make sense other than holding onto a lottery ticket you never plan on cashing.