True :)

The Dig is f*****g awesome...


That's all.

Just bought The Dig :) Never played it before, actually it's one of the few Lucas Arts adventures I didn't try so far.

Hopefully these games will do well - Lucas Arts keeps mentioning on the twitter account that they need proof adventure games still sell. Maybe this will convince them to bring back to life other old franchises, after Monkey Island. *fingers crossed*

So many people thought the Dig was boring. I liked it because it was a really good serious adventure game.

I also loved the book.

The Dig was based on a book? Wow gotta hunt that one down...

I've played both fairly recently and I didn't notice anything can you please explain and be specific?

its teh other way around i believe. i also read the book back in the day cause i was such a dig fan :D

Is this optional? Does anyone have any comparison screenshots?

as far as i can tell its not optional. but its really no big deal (sounds like you're not too fond of the idea), it doesn't change it dramatically at all, but it is noticeable.

Do the adventure games, by any chance, have ACHIEVEMENTS?

Because that'd be awesome.

MASTER PUGILIST

Beat Schwarzeneggar or whatever his name is in a fair fight.

Well, I played the CD version a long time ago (something like eight years), so it's hard for me to be very specific. I tried to find a webpage that lists all the differences but couldn't find one. You can find some information on the wikipedia page, as well as here and some examples for the dialog change here. The wikipedia page also says that the CD version lacks alternate solution to puzzles, but they don't give any specific example so I'm not sure what they mean.

To summarize, the three main complaints about the CD version are:

1. It lacks the music in the original game except for music playing on the background of spoken dialog. I think this is actually the worst thing, because the music in the floppy version of Loom is magnificent and really adds to the experience.

2. It lacks many close-ups from the original game. This is also a real shame because the original Loom was a very pretty game, and that is partly due to those close-ups.

3. The dialogs were cut-down. I am not sure how bad this is as I did not compare the dialogs one-to-one so I am not sure what was cut.

Edit: Also, not relevant to most people, but the original Loom version is one of the very few adventure games ever translated to hebrew, and so it was one of the first adventure games that I actually understood (played it when I was 8, until then I was playing mostly Sierra parser adventure games by knowing only 6 basic verbs and randomly combining them with words in the room description when I type "look" :) I was also still sure "talk man" is valid english and that the L is spoken). "גזע חמקמק האורגים האלה!"

Thanks Matan. That really sucks then. I love all of the above, the dialogue, music and Close Ups add to this amazing world and to take that away would be wrong. Someone told me once the CD version was made by another company that might explain it.

I read somewhere that Alan wrote it to be a movie, but it wasn't bought because the script for Armageddon was chosen (Another film where humans go up to an asteroid to prevent it from destroying earth, lol). So then it became a game.

The book and the game are actually quite different.

This is as close to what I read before:

Fortunately, you should be able to find the music in just about any music store which sells classical music. It's from Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake ballet.

Yes, of course, but I like it in the context of the game :D

I guess it's nice music on its own as well, but I always picture the relevant scene from Loom when I hear it :P

I don't get it. I mean, it is understandable that they change a game upon re-release, but why degrade it like this? That would only cost extra in the process and you only loose quality. It is not like Loom was extremely "talkative", the dialogues were not endlessly long. I wonder how they could have cut in them without loosing important info.

As for the music...it was there for a reason. Sure, it wasn't necessary for the gameply, but Swan Lake in a game related to swans, and more importantly, a classical music piece in a game that has music as its main interface...to me it feels like there SHOULD be music in it, and Swan Lake fits this game best.

You know, after reading I am fearing a doom scenario, with people playing Loom, thinking it rather impoverished with its little music and cut-down dialogues, saying 'see, adventures are dead after all', LucasArts hearing this, saying 'see, we were right, people don't even like the classics anymore, why bother writing new games' and stopping with writing adventures once and for all...

Technical reasons, probably. Loom had all sounds in one long (almost 55 minutes) audio track on the CD. It could play music and speech together during cutscenes because it was mixed that way on the track, but if it had played background music it would have had to interrupt it every time someone spoke. Perhaps the complete dialog didn't fit on one CD, though there is (at least) one scene where the CD version is longer than the original.

Later LucasArts did things differently, but I guess "talkie" games were still in their infancy.

You know, that sounds really logical :)
Wonder why they were desperate to add talkie to the expense of other aspects, but I guess talkie was a rather big deal back then, especially with the rise of CD-ROM as a medium.

I don't know where my mind was when I wrote that reply, thinking that it was changed for the current re-release. Must...not...stalk...forum...when...sleepy...

Well though I'm to from Israel I still prefered playing it on english, it just sounds really weird in Hebrew, האורגים זה שם מפגר... :shifty:

Lucasart on Steam!
 

Lucasart is now on Steam! In the lineup are some good ol' adventures:

• Loom
• The Dig
• Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade
• Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis

All titles will change owner for a minor €3.99 each!