Very nice list! :)
I agree with Samnmax: I've seen most games you list as "extremely rare" on ebay or elsewhere. UFO's aka Gnap can be found on German ebay for only a few bucks. The game is the original English one and plays from disk. Manual and installation in German. No box. Not interesting from the collector's point of view, but people who just want to play UFO's can find it easily. Other rare games that are not rare on German ebay: Synnergist and Touche. Both have English voices and German subtitles/boxes. There's an online black-and-white playable version of Riddle of the Maze. The review at Four Fat Chicks has a link: http://archives.obs-us.com/obs/engli...lt/books/maze/ I prefer the book, but that's just me. Quote:
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Yellow Brick Road is rare, but you can sometimes find it in an obscure category for children. Clay Agent and Clay Dreams are only available in Russian. The Case Of The Cautious Condor is not all that rare. I once found 3 copies in 2 weeks time. It's not much in demand either. I recently bought the boxed floppy version of Fascination for $10. The CD version (different box) is more rare. Louis Cat Orze : The Mystery Of The Queen's Necklace. Not much in demand. Is it really rare? Hound Of The Baskervilles. Bought it on German ebay for a few bucks. When I'd finished it, I tried to sell it on American ebay twice. Nobody was interested! Later sold it privately. I've seen several Bud Tuckers, Zeddas, Night Cafes, Night Traps, Jack the Rippers (1994) and Ecoquests 2 on ebay. Mode: the original boxed version is hard to find but developer Jeff Green sells the game in JC from his website. Midnight Stranger by the same developer should be mentioned as well. |
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When it comes to collecting rare adventure games, talk is cheap; actually acquiring the games is a whole different thing altogether. I've been doing it for several years and although from time to time rare games will turn up on Ebay, that's hardly the point. First, some of the listed very rare games will not be seen for months at a time on Ebay if at all. Plus, you have to be lucky enough to happen to see them on Ebay when they are there. Plus, you have to be the winning bidder, not to mention having the bucks to outbid everyone else. So, anyone planning to collect the games listed as very rare should not be misled by misleading statements. But don't take my word for it- make believe you're a collector and start watching Ebay or other sources and see how long it takes you to find some of these games! |
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In reference to fienepien's comments, I don't think Anglo-German versions count as complete English versions, and were not the focus of my (I believe), informative list. I did explain that I was listing English versions, although information regarding fully multi-language versions (Multi-language game, box and manual), certainly helps. I mentioned, at random, a few games that exist as dual-language games (such as the Anglo-German 'Duckman'. But that has a German-only box and German-only manual). I'm fully aware of the many that exist in addition, such as 'Gnap', 'Touche', 'Synnergist', but to have described all in such detail would have added far more to my posting than my typing energy could have coped with. This list was written with the collector-player in mind, which is why I said at the start that many of the games were rare and some were 'bad games' and rare. I concentrated on all-English versions, unless none were available (For example, 'Kama Sutra, 'Hollywood Monsters'). 'Yellow Brick Road' is extremely rare (I have one), and both versions of 'A.D. 2044' are, also, extremely seldomly seen (again, I have both versions - insatiable me !). I'm afraid that, by your inference, Fienepien, that a game isn't extremely rare if it occurs a couple of times on eBay, this would mean that, because 'Grackon's Curse' occurred twice on eBay, from the same seller, in the same week, it is NOT extremely rare. 99.9% of collector's would scoff at such a suggestion. The old chestnut. What is 'rare' ? . . appears to be the focus of some dispute here. It often is. To me, if 'Night Trap' appears on eBay just a few times in a year and reaches a price which is exorbitant by many people's standards, it attains a status of rare and hard to obtain. The same goes for 'Ecoquest 2', 'Zeddas', 'Bud Tucker' (which is very, very seldomly seen English and boxed, or even unboxed), 'Night Cafe', GameTeks original 'Jack The Ripper', etc.. Also, what does 'in demand' have anything to do with it ? 'Louis Cat Orze' (especially boxed), is extremely hard to find, as is 'Case Of The Cautious Condor', 'Murder Makes Strange Deadfellows' and 'Hound Of The Baskervilles'. I'm fully aware, also, that these games can be downloaded from a particular vintage game website, plus other sources. However, all is not negative. Thankyou, fienepien, for your helpful comments regarding 'Mode', 'Midnight Stranger' (I realise, and mentioned, that I missed some out - 'Club Dead', for instance), 'Clay Dreams' and 'Clay Agent' (I suspected so). What about 'GAG 2' and 'Case Closed' - do English versions exist ? Please, folks, don't think I'm being a downer. All helpful comments will be helpful to all. But, argumentative comments, regarding what is, or isn't rare, will achieve little, other than provide a distraction from the main thrust of my original reference list, and would only serve to confuse someone new to collecting these (mostly), great games. Can't we talk about what's rare, and what's not, somewhere else please ? Interpretation is very subjective, you know. Thanks again. :crazy: |
Last year after I got my tax refund check, I set out to find many old games on eBay. For two months + I was on eBay every day for 20-30 min to see what was ending in the next 24 hours, that I could afford and that I really wanted. Some were not so rare, some were pretty hard to find. I got 65+ games in that time, with only two costing me over $15 including shipping. I didn't try to get boxed copies, which would have cost me much more.
I have to agree with Sir Dave that it is NOT easy to do, and requires a concerted effort to find certain games. I just last week got Liath, after trying for a year and a half. Reah, I gave up and bought from Amazon at $26+, though I've seen it for over $120. FGM-Lyn |
I think your list is very informative, and I said so. I'm very surprised that both SirDave and you seem to think I'm starting a disagreement about what is rare and what is not, that was not my intention. Discussing adventures is great, but exchanging info about availability, technical problems, etcetera is an important reason for me to read forums. Like you, I was only trying to be helpful! For instance, someone said "find UFO's, it's a nice game" and I told them where they can find it for just a few dollars. Many people don't know that and it didn't occur to me to post the info separately, because I thought the thread was about rare games in general, not only from the collectors pov.
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If a game is rare and in high demand, it will be harder to spot on ebay because lots of collectors have no qualms and will approach the seller in private. Game disappears from ebay. Happens all the time. It used to make me furious, very unfair. Some people say it's even getting worse, and they may be right, but I can't say I've noticed it myself. Probably because my Wanted List has is now very short. :) Quote:
I'm sorry my post has annoyed you and SirDave. I will not comment on your list again or at the very least make sure that my comments are only related to a particular game and not your list or the collector's pov. |
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I'm sure that all our chatter will help someone along the way, whether we disagree or not. I hope so, anyway. ;)
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I have to say, I think your friend was very lucky - as was I when I found this going cheap at a computer game stall in my local market! I am pretty sure these are quite isolated incidents as I have never seen it for sale in the used section of any game stores here in the UK. Plus, searching ebay for the past few months hasn't shown any available at reasonable prices! |
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Not being specific about some of these subjects can drive people like me crazy who have been out there in the AG-collector trenches. I ran into a similiar conversation recently with someone who sort-of non-chalantly let it drop that he had gotten Under A Killing Moon to 'run' directly under WinXP. Well, that sort of set me off because I spent many an hour trying to subdue UAKM on WinXP and failed! (Remember, we're talking directly under WinXP, not Dosbox and/or VDMSound). It turned out he'd gotten some introductory screens up but no sound & hadn't played the game all the way thru without crashing. As it turned out, he meant well, but it wasn't helpful to people who thought they could easily fire up UAKM under WinXP. Anyway, one has to be patient collecting AGs and even though rare games do turn up on Ebay occasionally, you still have to be prepared to pay big money for games that are legitimately known to be rare. I would also say that it takes a little time to distinguish truly rare games from games that sellers on Ebay say are rare. At any given time, games will be listed as Rare that are fare from it. Also, remember that collectors usually want boxed games; I don't buy jewel-case games anymore- and a boxed game can go for as much as 3-4x the price of a jewel-case-only game. Make sure you know the difference before you buy. Incidentally, Fienepien was absolutely right about Reah & Liath. I will, groan!, admit that I was suckered into paying over twice as much for Reah as you can get it now (and I overpaid for Liath) about 2 years ago afterwhich it did seem as though someone came across a warehouse full of them! |
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I agree with everything else you said! :D |
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Thank you Jacques l'aliéné for the extensive lists! They are great. I just want to add a few comments on your list of "Extremely rare" titles.
A few of these games are Swedish. Agharta: Hollow Earth is very common in bargain bins over here (swe/eng version). Mystery of Greveholm 2 is easy to find in Swedish, more difficult in english, but not impossible. If I am not misinformed Gilbert was not released in any other language than Swedish. (If it is this Gilbert you refer to) That game is easy to find. |
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Hi, I don't mean to be awkward or argumentative, but I don't think I mentioned anything about free downloads - I agree with you totally, they shouldn't be considered at all :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D |
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Aaarrgh!! This is something that really annoys me about ebay and it happens on a regular basis!! Sellers offer games for sale and describe them as "rare" or "deleted" or "banned", when in fact the majority of these games can be found for sale at your local games store! I have had plenty of arguments with ebay sellers, because whenever I see a game listed as rare when it is actually freely available I feel I have to question them about this!! Some of them have been quite abusive when I question them :crazy: It just winds me up because they must know the game they are selling isn't rare :crazy: :D :D :D :D :D |
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I have got Kyrandia, the Leisure Suit Larry series, and the Kings Quest Collection as free downloads, so obviously they can't be that rare?" |
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I've got all those games too as free downloads - at the moment I'm working my way through the LSL games - they are all great fun and bring back great memories!!! :D :D :D :D :D |
Yep ! We're working our way through the King's Quests. They're superb too ! ;)
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