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Lucien21 09-06-2006 12:41 AM

PS3 Delayed until March 2007
 
If you live in Europe, Russia, the Middle East, Africa and Australasia that is.

Bastards

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=67341

Sony are shooting themselves in the foot. Christmas is a big deal for console sales and Microsoft will clean up with the 360 and if Nintendo can release the Wii it could do loads as well.

insane_cobra 09-06-2006 01:40 AM

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1353/ps3nazito9.jpg

Solid Snake 09-06-2006 03:46 AM

Nice one.

kuze 09-06-2006 03:57 AM

http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/406...7289419rg1.jpg

Toefur 09-06-2006 04:20 AM

It doesn't matter. It's still going to be a raging success when it comes out.

Tanukitsune 09-06-2006 04:41 AM

Do we even have an official release date for the Wii? Will it be worldwide? Europe might get the Wii tomorrow, or we might get in 2009! :shifty:

I remember we got the normal DS and the DS Lite a few months after the rest of the world, so why is everybody thinking that Europe will have the Wii they same day Japan and US? They do have to translate the games and software into several languages you know...

insane_cobra 09-06-2006 05:09 AM

Well even if Wii doesn't come to Europe until 2009, you can't blame Nintendo for promising it would come earlier.

Lucien21 09-06-2006 05:16 AM

They have previously stated a worldwide launch on the same day.

Wii will find out on 14th september as they have some big announcment.

ATMachine 09-06-2006 05:16 AM

Ah, dear old Haddock. The panels are from Objectif Lune, unless I miss my guess. :)

insane_cobra 09-06-2006 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucien21
They have previously stated a worldwide launch on the same day.

No they haven't. They said they don't think they would have to do a worldwide launch just because everyone else is doing it, they said that they'll try to launch in different territories as close as possible and some other stuff like that. What they didn't say (as far as I know, but feel free to prove me wrong) is that they would do a worldwide launch.

Melanie68 09-06-2006 07:28 AM

You couldn't really import one from the North America if you're elsewhere because the games are coded differently aren't they?

Bummer. :frown:

insane_cobra 09-06-2006 07:34 AM

Theoretically, they will be region free, but the decision whether to make their games region free or not will be left to publishers' discretion. Also, PS2 and PS games will probably remain region locked.

But that's not the biggest problem, I suspect there will be very few consoles available for importing because of expected shortages.

RLacey 09-06-2006 08:53 AM

I've seen the number two million rather than four million being bandied about. That's quite a shortfall compared to expectations.

Intrepid Homoludens 09-06-2006 10:44 AM

For some weird reason this Europe delay didn't surprise me. News of problems with production and design of the PS3 have been in my peripheral vision for a long time now and I suspected that Sony may be hiding more than they would like us to to know. Thus it was only a matter of time before they'd have to tell us the truth.

Oh, and...

European sales of Sony's PlayStation 3 delayed until March | International Herald Tribune, 9/6/06

Quote:

James Hong, Head of Equity Derivatives Trading at Dresdner Kleinwort in Tokyo, said the news may put another dent in Sony's stock, which fell 50 yen, or about 1 percent, to 5,050 yen on the Tokyo Stock Exchange. The market closed before the announcement.

"This seems to be the continuation of a series of bad news. People were prepared to wait for the PS3, but delaying its European launch so they miss the Christmas season is just so not good," he said.

"This is a crucial product given its Blu-ray features, and they need to get it out fast. I doubt this is going to help their stock price," he said.


The set-back is the latest to hit Sony, which is has been overhauling its electronics operations to catch up in key electronics products such as MP3 digital music players.

Last month, its shares tumbled after Dell Inc. and Apple Computer Inc. issued huge recalls of defective laptop batteries made by one of Sony's subsidiaries, Sony Energy Devices Corp.

Kutaragi said other preparation work on the machine was going smoothly, including the "cell" next-generation computer chip. Mass production of the machine is set to start end of September, he said.

Although Sony had initially counted on shipping 4 million PlayStation 3 machines worldwide by the end of the year, that will likely fall to 2 million, he said.

The exact European sales date will be announced later, but it will likely be in the early part of March, he said.

Blu-ray disc is the next-generation video format for the latest DVD recorders and players, but also an essential part of the PlayStation 3.


insane_cobra 09-06-2006 11:32 AM

He he, UK:Resistance outdid themselves. :D

http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/6...2790161fi3.jpg

Intrepid Homoludens 09-06-2006 11:38 AM

LMAO!!! Hoodwinks. Heh heh.

Crunchy in milk 09-06-2006 10:45 PM

I'm sure I read in a couple of places the number of first round release units is around 500,000. World wide. Thats awfully low even for just a North America and Japan release.

Truly this is upsetting news since it means its that much longer before the first price drop on the 360.

insane_cobra 09-06-2006 11:30 PM

Not if you live in Japan.

SoccerDude28 09-08-2006 09:41 AM

Sony are really screwing themselves over. I can't defend them anymore, because they have only themselves to blame for the total screw up of the PS3 release.

Spiwak 09-08-2006 02:52 PM

Whoah. Soccerdude28 discrediting Sony. You heard it here first, guys!

Can't argue though; Sony is truly screwing up more and more, PR-wise.

undeaf 09-08-2006 03:09 PM

But, but ... but it runs linux!

insane_cobra 09-08-2006 03:16 PM

Who cares? So did PS2.

undeaf 09-08-2006 03:29 PM

Yeah, but it was far too weak to make good use of it, and it costed extra.

insane_cobra 09-09-2006 01:08 AM

Doesn't matter, your ordinary chav won't care for Linux one bit.

undeaf 09-09-2006 07:27 AM

Well, yeah, of course they won't care specifically that it runs linux. But if it performs various PC functions I think they'll notice that. And I'm quite sure sony fanboys will be grasping at straws to think well of their idol, 600 to 950 dollars ought to cause a lot of buyer's remorse. And the most technically apt portion of playstation owners very likely will make use of it.

insane_cobra 09-09-2006 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by undeaf
But if it performs various PC functions I think they'll notice that.

Like what functions? Media playback? File organization? Web browsing? Network management? PS3 is supposed to be offering all that from its own slick operating system so I'm not sure anyone would care, even if they'd know how to boot into Linux. Especially not people without a mouse and a keyboard. No, Linux will probably be there only for enthusiasts and people interested in homebrew software development.

Quote:

And the most technically apt portion of playstation owners very likely will make use of it.
Probably only if they don't already have a PC. But why are we even discussing this? Nobody will buy a PS3 because of Linux.

undeaf 09-09-2006 08:28 AM

They have to have some reason for including it, since they're having it preinstalled on all of them(they're not even using it as a feature to distinguish the more and less expensive models). Wikipedia says that it might even be the OS used for everything. Does sony's operating system have equivalents to KOffice and GAIM? A lot of it depends on how easy and functional the package manager is, and what kind of repositories it allows access to, if any.

What does it matter whether or not anyone will buy a PS3 because of linux? Those people would be using linux, BSD or OSX anyway.

insane_cobra 09-09-2006 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by undeaf
Does sony's operating system have equivalents to KOffice and GAIM?

I really doubt it since PS3 will ship without a mouse and a keyboard.

Quote:

What does it matter whether or not anyone will buy a PS3 because of linux?
Of course it doesn't matter, "But, but ... but it runs linux!" was your outcry, not mine.

undeaf 09-09-2006 09:15 AM

Keyboards and mice aren't really all that expensive, and most people could just borrow one from a PC if they wanted to just try something out.

Yeah, I was saying that at least there's one good thing about the PS3(a bit sarcastically though, hence the stuttering). After all, noone is upset at, say, looking glass for not having sold enough games, except the people they worked for. And while the PS3 might hurt sony, maybe it'll also hurt not just HDDVD but also windows.

insane_cobra 09-09-2006 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by undeaf
Keyboards and mice aren't really all that expensive, and most people could just borrow one from a PC if they wanted to just try something out.

Yes, if something would make them want to try it out.

But if they already have a PC, why bothering with Linux on their PS3? :)

Quote:

Yeah, I was saying that at least there's one good thing about the PS3(a bit sarcastically though, hence the stuttering).
I got that, that's why I'm so surprised this turned into an actual discussion.

Quote:

After all, noone is upset at, say, looking glass for not having sold enough games, except the people they worked for. And while the PS3 might hurt sony, maybe it'll also hurt not just HDDVD but also windows.
Huh? Are we still in the same thread? You lost me there a little, but never mind, I'm out anyway.

undeaf 09-09-2006 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by insane_cobra
Yes, if something would make them want to try it out.

But if they already have a PC, why bothering with Linux on their PS3? :)

Malware infestation. Or possibly a dead fan or severe dust buildup.

Quote:

Originally Posted by insane_cobra
Huh? Are we still in the same thread? You lost me there a little, but never mind, I'm out anyway.

I was saying that noone really cares about how well a product does, unless they like it or seriously dislike it.

SoccerDude28 09-09-2006 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiwak
Whoah. Soccerdude28 discrediting Sony. You heard it here first, guys!

Can't argue though; Sony is truly screwing up more and more, PR-wise.

I'm just saying that they are making Microsoft's job really easy to take over the number one spot, with the huge number of mistakes they are making in this release. They really should fire all their executives for the terrible job in getting this product out.

Intrepid Homoludens 09-09-2006 08:32 PM

Speaking of mistakes, Kikizo took the trouble to list them chronologically:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kikizo, Playstation 3: A Timeline To Doom
May 2005: This is where it all began, at the Electronic Entertainment Expo, where Ken Kutaragi formally unveiled the PlayStation 3. The world gasped at the promised power of the Cell processor, the expansive space gifted game designers by Blu-ray, and the horror that was the prototype PlayStation 3 controller. Sony wrote a massive cheque with pre-rendered footage from games such as Killzone 2 and MotorStorm. It remains to see whether that cheque will bounce or not. Meanwhile, Kutaragi reaffirmed that the PS3 is a computer and not a games console.

June 2005: Shortly after E3, the talk started to turn to price. Sony was coy, but it did warn repeatedly that the console would not come cheap, and at one point Kutaragi even went as far as to suggest that people work harder to afford it. Sony's European boss said that Microsoft's going first in the next-gen race would have little overall effect.

July 2005: While Kutaragi again warned that Sony's new console would be expensive, Microsoft scored something of a coup, signing major Japanese game developers to make exclusive games for the Xbox 360.

August 2005: Metal Gear creator Hideo Kojima revealed that Metal Gear Solid 4 would make an appearance at the Tokyo Game Show, to the delight of series fans around the world. Meanwhile, talk pointed to the rest of the show being something of a bust for showgoers, with no playable games in the offing.

September 2005: With Microsoft announcing that the Xbox 360 would come in two bundles, Sony was quick to jump in and condemn the move. The company said that it would not be taking the same steps when it came time to launching the PlayStation 3.

October 2005: Sony said earlier in the year that the PlayStation 3 would play back the full catalogue of PlayStation and PlayStation 2 games, but a company representative confirmed that there could be a few stragglers. Backward compatibility seemed much less of an issue than for Microsoft. Ken Kutaragi also got message boards humming with his comments that the PlayStation 3 would support games at 120 frames-per-second - current games struggle to hit 60 fps consistently.

November 2005: Sony stood out of the spotlight for a bit as Microsoft launched the Xbox 360 in the US. Many hoped that Sony would learn from Microsoft's problems handling a global launch and take a cue on how not to do things. The console launched days later in Europe and Japan.

December 2005: With the Xbox 360 becoming harder to find, Sony reiterated that it was on track to release the console in spring in Japan. Sony's Phil Harrison also got tongues wagging by baiting Microsoft, saying that the true high-definition era began once the PlayStation 3 arrived - mostly because the Xbox 360 lacked a high-definition drive and was capable of 1080p resolution. Ken Kutaragi took another stab at Microsoft, saying that the first-mover advantage amounted to little.

January 2006: With the arrival of the new year came the analyst guesstimates about the PlayStation 3 launch. Pacific Crest Securities in the US predicted a spring 2007 release in Europe and a November launch in the US.

February 2006: Kikizo went hands-on with the PlayStation 3, and our developer sources gave the first signs that Sony's hopes of having games running in 1080p were perhaps unattainable.

March 2006: Sony had yet to announce any launch details for the PlayStation 3 - it was supposed to launch in Japan in the spring - but it said it was waiting for final Blu-ray specifications to make the announcement, giving the first suggestions that the next-generation DVD technology could cause headaches for the company. The first reports on Sony's online plans also came to the fore.

April 2006: PlayStation's French boss was rumoured to have commented that the PlayStation 3 would cost €500 to €600, but PR representatives said he had been misquoted.

May 2006: By the time E3 rolled around again this year, people were in a frenzy. The time had come for Sony to dazzle us with its games, but all we got was a fizzle. There's speculation that E3's demise is directly linked to Sony's dissatisfaction with the beating it took in the media when the console failed to live up to most people's expectations. MotorStorm was hidden in a corner of Sony's booth and Killzone 2 was nowhere to be found. Of course, the biggest shock was the price, which largely came down to the inclusion of Blu-ray and the costs involved in creating the Cell processor. Sony also went against its own statements and announced two bundles for the PS3.

June 2006: Perhaps realizing the strength of the Xbox 360, Sony said that it was unconcerned with market share in the next generation and rather wanted to expand the industry as a whole. At the same time, Sony officials said that Microsoft's predicted 10-million-unit lead by November was not a concern. Meanwhile, Sony boss Sir Howard Stringer admitted that the PlayStation 3, which forms a hub for the company's digital entertainment products, was a risky venture. Sony also made outlandish statements, accusing Microsoft of stealing its ideas.

July 2006: With chinks starting to show in Sony's armour, several analysts predicted that, should things go horribly awry, there was every chance that the PlayStation 3 could end up last in the next-generation race. At the same time, Americans picked Sony as their favourite brand. It was also in July that the PlayStation 3 was reported to have gone into production.

August 2006: Reports out of Taiwan suggested Sony was already taking delivery of assembled consoles, though PlayStation's US boss Kaz Hirai admitted later in the month that production had yet to start. Hirai let slip that Sony would only have 2 million consoles ready by the end of the year, but PR handlers quickly said he had been misunderstood.

September 2006: Amid rumours of Sony struggling to find blue laser diodes, the company came clean, admitting that it couldn't get enough of the Blu-ray component and that it was forced to cut back its schedule. Europe took the brunt of the blow, with the launch being delayed until March 2007, though the US and Japan would both get the nasty surprise of much smaller launches - 400,000 units and 100,000 units respectively.


Jatsie 09-09-2006 08:51 PM

What are all these gamers supposed to do, that Sony said would buy their machine without any games?

Now they don't get a console either! :P

Crunchy in milk 09-09-2006 09:58 PM

I'm not so convinced Sony even need the PS3 to push Blue Ray right over the top of HDDVD. People already just seem willing to take it on faith that Blue Ray is far superior to HDDVD without even seeing the two running side by side or being aware of anything more than the hype they've heard (or want to believe).

http://projectorcentral.com/retailin...VD_Blu-ray.htm

insane_cobra 09-10-2006 02:05 AM

HD-DVD currently outsells Blu-ray, but the sales of both formats are disappointing. Not for me, though, I've been saying all along that people are not ready to make the switch yet.

The recent shortage of blue laser diodes is another problem Blu-ray will have to overcome. Meanwhile, HD-DVD is more readily available, offers better picture quality and the movies sell better despite their higher price.

tabacco 09-10-2006 09:28 AM

I'm sort of willing to bet that for your average non-technical consumer, HD-DVD's name is a strong selling point. It is, after all, a DVD, which is HD. It contains two keywords that buyers recognize, whereas "Blu-Ray" sounds a bit like a 1950s microwave oven, instead of an improvement over an existing media standard.

Dasilva 09-11-2006 02:35 PM

Like tabacco said so many people know the name HD DVD, unlike blu-ray.

Intrepid Homoludens 09-11-2006 08:29 PM

That bit of nomenclature may end up working against Blu-ray, yes. However, it's still possible that the Sony name would balance that out (there are still a lot of 'ignorant' mainstream consumers out there who'll buy what Sony sells them). Still, I personally think it's too risky, but then Sony has already risked far too much (today and yesteryear) to even be aware of it.

That said, I do like the wisdom behind Microsoft's decision to make HD-DVD optional for the Xbox360. It keeps the power in the consumers' hands as to whether they want that feature or not, even if it may end up being a little more expensive (Xbox360 + HD-DVD drive) than the PS3. Sony is practically forcing their new proprietary format unto us, whereas MS still at least respects our freedom of choice.

undeaf 09-11-2006 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Intrepid Homoludens
That said, I do like the wisdom behind Microsoft's decision to make HD-DVD optional for the Xbox360. It keeps the power in the consumers' hands as to whether they want that feature or not, even if it may end up being a little more expensive (Xbox360 + HD-DVD drive) than the PS3. Sony is practically forcing their new proprietary format unto us, whereas MS still at least respects our freedom of choice.

Microft being seen as respecting choice, oh the irony. Why would microsoft even want to force toshiba's format onto their customers?

Who will want such an add on device anyway? Not only will the combination cost more and not have HDMI(and HD DVD is said to be stricter about DRM than Blu ray), but the drive also can't be used as part of the console. If they really wanted to give a choice about whether to have a hddvd console, they'd make two versions of the console, one with an HD DVD drive and one with two DVD drives(the games could be distributed by having one of the discs be a double sided or double/tripple layered DVD&HDDVD disc).


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