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reno6 12-09-2005 10:00 AM
King's Quest IX - Saved.
 
Can't believe nobody brought this up yet. Apparently, there's more to VU than meets the eye.

Quote:
Originally Posted by http://www.kqix.com/home.php
On November 29th, 2005, Vivendi Universal Games (hereafter VUG) granted a fan license to Phoenix Online Studios to continue work on the KQIX project. As part of the negotiations between the two companies, VUG required a change of name of the project.

As a result, "King's Quest IX: Every Cloak Has A Silver Lining" will now adopt a new name: "The Silver Lining". We chose such a name because in many ways it represents the spirit that has always represented our project.

This is the press release from VUG:

"After extensive evaluation, Vivendi Universal Games is pleased to announce that the fan developed trilogy project 'The Silver Lining' (previously known as King's Quest IX: Every Cloak Has A Silver Lining), based on characters from Sierra Entertainment's 'Kings Quest' series, has been given approval to continue development. We look forward to seeing the first of its three upcoming chapters, 'Shadows', completed soon."

- VIVENDI UNIVERSAL GAMES

However, because of the nature of the negotiations with VUG, and the fact that we had to stop development during the past three months, we are forced to push the release of the first part "Shadows" further down the line. We are still unsure of our new release date, but we can say that it will happen somewhere during 2006.

Our website will also undergo changes in the near future due to legal claims we must comply with. We are preparing a couple of surprises for next year, so keep visiting and checking the Forum for further news.

On behalf of The Silver Lining Development Team, we would like to thank the thousands of fans that made this possible by emailing VUG and spreading the news; we would also like to give a special thanks to Matt Compton and Cat Tyson, organizers of SaveKQIX.org for such unconditional and wonderful support, as well as everyone who helped them in this kind effort. Also, special thanks to Rod Rigole 'Vice-President of Legal Affairs' and Marcus Beer 'Senior Public Relations Manager', both from VUG, for their great help during the negotiation. Without any of the aforementioned, none of this would have happened.

The cloak has dropped and the silver lining appeared. You, the fans, made it happen.



Thank you,

Directive Staff
PHOENIX ONLINE STUDIOS
This makes me very, very happy.

RLacey 12-09-2005 10:03 AM
But aren't Sierra the spawn of the devil? :shifty:

Haven't they single-handedly destroyed all that we hold dear in this genre? :shifty:

And aren't they trying to murder our children and burn down our homes through their evil corporate practices and senseless cancelling of harmless fan projects? :shifty:

And will those who have moaned about the cancellation of KQIX now decide that Sierra are in fact a perfectly decent company who were acting entirely within their rights as the legal holders of the rights to the King's Quest series? :shifty:

Anyway, welcome back The Silver Lining. I'm sure you're going to be very good. And at least people will stop moaning now :frusty:.

Dasilva 12-09-2005 10:11 AM
Amazing, I'm so glad, I got a strange feeling that SQ7 has something similar to this agreement. They woulden't say yes or no weather they have negociated with VU. (Whats with ''VUG'' anyway?)

fov 12-09-2005 10:55 AM
VUG = Vivendi Universal Games

This is great news. I honestly didn't expect it. If anyone from Vivendi happens to be reading this thread -- thanks. :)

EDIT: So it seems they can't call it King's Quest IX, but they can keep the KQ characters? Interesting indeed.

Gonchi 12-09-2005 10:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RLacey
But aren't Sierra the spawn of the devil? :shifty:
Guess there's some truth to that Yin-Yang nonsense after all...

Doesn't affect my opinion of Vivendi any though.

mcomp72 12-09-2005 11:08 AM
Hey all. This is mcomp72 from the Save King's Quest IX campaign. I just wanted to say a huge THANK YOU to everyone here that supported the cause. I'm so happy that we were able to help save the game!

splat44 12-09-2005 11:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gonchi
Guess there's some truth to that Yin-Yang nonsense after all...

Doesn't affect my opinion of Vivendi any though.
Ya, I hear you.

I'm still wondering if is going to be a freeware thought!

BerserkerTails 12-09-2005 11:52 AM
YES! YEEESSSSS!!! YEEEEEESSSSSSSSS!!!!!

...That just made MY Christmas.

EvilMulder 12-09-2005 12:19 PM
Yes, great news! :D :D :D

LeChimp 12-09-2005 02:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fov
VUG = Vivendi Universal Games

This is great news. I honestly didn't expect it. If anyone from Vivendi happens to be reading this thread -- thanks. :)

EDIT: So it seems they can't call it King's Quest IX, but they can keep the KQ characters? Interesting indeed.
Maybe they don't want people to get it confused with a commercial King's Quest IX, if VU ever makes one.

Lucien21 12-09-2005 02:48 PM
Well blow me down with a feather.

Unexpected but fantastic news.

Jayel 12-09-2005 04:00 PM
I don't believe it!

After a brisk nap 12-09-2005 04:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RLacey
And will those who have moaned about the cancellation of KQIX now decide that Sierra are in fact a perfectly decent company who were acting entirely within their rights as the legal holders of the rights to the King's Quest series? :shifty:
You might plausibly be referring to me (among others), so I'll answer that.

No.

It's great that Vivendi eventually agreed to make a deal with the KQ9 team. That doesn't mean their initial action wasn't callously belligerent. If you take a charitable view, you might speculate that the c&d was just a shot over the bow to get the team's attention, or establish a negotiating position. Even under that interpretation their initial contact was boorish at best, but I don't buy it. If Vivendi had been open to a deal at first, they could just have opened a dialogue in reasonable fashion. As the stronger party, they were in a position to pretty much dictate the terms of an agreement anyway.

Probably, the petition and campaign to save the game got the matter to the attention of someone responsible enough and decent enough not to be acting on corporate auto-pilot. Someone who realized (like those of us moaning argued all along) that the game offered no serious threat to the value of Vivendi's properties, and that the minor issues (like calling the game "King's Quest IX") could be easily rectified.

To sum up: This is what Vivendi should have done in the first place.

Let me just repost something I wrote when the game was cancelled:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Snarky
Instead of a petition, I think we should propose a deal to Vivendi. We'll license the KQ property, for some small sum like $5,000 or $10,000. I think we could raise that much. I'd certainly be willing to pledge ten bucks to revive this game, and I hope a few hundred other people would, too. Since the game is not going to be commercial, I don't think Vivendi ought to demand more. The game will include some statement on startup about how it's not an official game, not "canon", and how the only official KQ games are the ones released by Sierra. The title can be changed to something like "Every Cloak Has a Silver Lining: An unofficial King's Quest game". Vivendi can veto specific elements of the game if they like. The game can only be distributed for free on the website, not sold or physically distributed. Phoenix Entertainment can not make any other games (so that they can't use KQIX to publicize their other efforts).

I think that would be a fair deal. The terms are severe enough to discourage other fan-game makers (probably a concern for Vivendi), but not so hard that they can't be met. We get our game, Vivendi confirm their ownership of KQ, everyone is happy, no one boycotts anybody. Sounds good?

After a brisk nap 12-09-2005 04:06 PM
O, by the way. This is great news. Yay! :)

NemelChelovek 12-10-2005 12:29 AM
Quote:
But aren't Sierra the spawn of the devil? :shifty:

Haven't they single-handedly destroyed all that we hold dear in this genre? :shifty:

And aren't they trying to murder our children and burn down our homes through their evil corporate practices and senseless cancelling of harmless fan projects? :shifty:

And will those who have moaned about the cancellation of KQIX now decide that Sierra are in fact a perfectly decent company who were acting entirely within their rights as the legal holders of the rights to the King's Quest series?:shifty:

Anyway, welcome back The Silver Lining. I'm sure you're going to be very good. And at least people will stop moaning now .:frusty:
Get over yourself.

squarejawhero 12-10-2005 03:42 AM
KQIX BACK - check the news, folks!
 
http://www.adventuregamers.com/under...em.php?id=1107

Yeah! Kickass!

Lucien21 12-10-2005 04:07 AM
You could also check the amateur adventure forum from yesterday :P

http://forums.adventuregamers.com/sh...ad.php?t=12233

squarejawhero 12-10-2005 04:11 AM
Or not, seeing as 98% of this forum don't have a clue what that is!

Lucien

Gknight 12-10-2005 04:17 AM
That is very good news.

AGA 12-10-2005 04:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fov
EDIT: So it seems they can't call it King's Quest IX, but they can keep the KQ characters? Interesting indeed.
This is probably because you can't copyright a person's name or an identity, but you can the title of a product. Or maybe not. I'm no copyright lawyer :P

Tramboi 12-10-2005 04:35 AM
Now I will be able to buy all these Quest packs :)

insane_cobra 12-10-2005 04:51 AM
You gotta be kidding me, I finally downloaded the trailer yesterday and thought to myself "what a bloody shame". :)

Bee-yutiful! Yay for Vivendi!

Jazhara7 12-10-2005 05:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RLacey
But aren't Sierra the spawn of the devil? :shifty:

Haven't they single-handedly destroyed all that we hold dear in this genre? :shifty:

And aren't they trying to murder our children and burn down our homes through their evil corporate practices and senseless cancelling of harmless fan projects? :shifty:
No, you're mistaking them for "Electronic Arts".

Sierra and LucasArts are the Dead Gods (actually, LucasArts is more of a Fallen God).



- :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

RLacey 12-10-2005 05:42 AM
I apologise for yesterday's outburst.

RLacey 12-10-2005 05:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazhara7
No, you're mistaking them for "Electronic Arts".

Sierra and LucasArts are the Dead Gods (actually, LucasArts is more of a Fallen God).



- :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Damn straight.

RLacey 12-10-2005 05:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by squarejawhero
Or not, seeing as 98% of this forum don't have a clue what that is!

Lucien
Isn't that a bit like saying that all adventure gaming news should be posted in Chit Chat on the grounds that some people only check that board?

squarejawhero 12-10-2005 05:48 AM
Well, yes, it's worth having information repeated to discuss here. Not many people check the indie forums as it doesn't seem relevent to them, and seeing all the stuff I've seen so far on this title I'd say it's far above average for an indie. Evidently they've impressed VUG to some degree.

I know I'm not the only one for a fact.

koko 12-10-2005 06:42 AM
I just want to thank EVERYONE for their support of Phoenix Online through this difficult time for them! They have said over and over that they wouldn't have been able to make it through without you! Many of you may have signed the petition I had or sent the emails that myself, Matt and the rest of the SaveKQIX team were promoting. If you participated in that, please email VUG and thank them! Their email address is [email protected]. We want them to know that we do appreciate them allowing the continued development of the game!

AFGNCAAP 12-10-2005 07:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by squarejawhero
Well, yes, it's worth having information repeated to discuss here. Not many people check the indie forums as it doesn't seem relevent to them, and seeing all the stuff I've seen so far on this title I'd say it's far above average for an indie. Evidently they've impressed VUG to some degree.

I know I'm not the only one for a fact.
If underground forums aren't "relevent" enough for some people, tough luck for them. Merging...

Quote:
Originally Posted by RLacey
I apologise for yesterday's outburst.
If it makes you feel any better. you said what I only dared to think. :)



Oh yeah, I almost forgot: Yay!

RLacey 12-10-2005 07:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AFGNCAAP
Oh yeah, I almost forgot: Yay!
I should echo this sentiment, if only to state that I bear no grudge against the game itself. I genuinely am looking forward to playing it :).

Hamham Chan 12-10-2005 08:18 AM
Wonderful news!
There is a god, and he loves King´s Quest!:D

Josho 12-10-2005 09:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snarky
To sum up: This is what Vivendi should have done in the first place.
No, what Phoenix should have done in the first place was NOT thumb their noses in Vivendi's face by calling their project "King's Quest 9" and garnering as much prepublicity as they possible could.

As they were advised not to do. TWO YEARS ago. And to which they replied, "We couldn't possibly do that...it would hopelessly confuse our fans."

I'm glad the game's going to be released, though.

--Josh

squarejawhero 12-10-2005 10:21 AM
Merge it then. But you'll find mention a KQ game in the main forum it'll garner more interest. Your deal, not mine.

Dasilva 12-10-2005 11:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josho
No, what Phoenix should have done in the first place was NOT thumb their noses in Vivendi's face by calling their project "King's Quest 9" and garnering as much prepublicity as they possible could.

As they were advised not to do. TWO YEARS ago. And to which they replied, "We couldn't possibly do that...it would hopelessly confuse our fans."

I'm glad the game's going to be released, though.

--Josh
What about SQ7? It seems to be taking the same rout except its keeping a low profile.

BerserkerTails 12-10-2005 12:34 PM
The news has even made IGN, haha.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/674/674825p1.html

cesarbittar 12-10-2005 01:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Josho
No, what Phoenix should have done in the first place was NOT thumb their noses in Vivendi's face by calling their project "King's Quest 9" and garnering as much prepublicity as they possible could.

As they were advised not to do. TWO YEARS ago. And to which they replied, "We couldn't possibly do that...it would hopelessly confuse our fans."

I'm glad the game's going to be released, though.

--Josh
then again, gathering all the publicity lead to the big following, and this was what ultimately saved the project. Otherwise, if we had kept the low profile, and not be known by a lot of people, we would still be shut down. Vivendi reacted directly to the press and the fans.

Having had a change of name before wouldn’t have changed things. We would have still gone through this. The Cease and Desist would have come whether our name was King’s Quest IX or not.

Personally, whether it’s called “King’s Quest IX” or “The Silver Lining”, I still fail to see your point. We are still making a sequel based on Roberta William’s work. And by the way, Roberta has seen more than what you think she’s seen. Her blessings have come not only once, but repeatedly over the years. Both from her and from Ken. You can ask them so you are clear of doubts.

Am I telling other fan-games to go through this? No. It’s risky, and the same way we were saved, we could have been shut down and left shut down. At the end, it’s up to the directors of each game what you guys want to do.

Anyhow, I just wanted to thank everyone for their incredible support. I’ve made the promise that this game will see the light of day, and I’m known for keeping my promises!

Cesar Bittar
Phoenix Online Studios

cesarbittar 12-10-2005 01:50 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BerserkerTails
The news has even made IGN, haha.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/674/674825p1.html
yeah, we are on MTV too :)

http://www.mtv.com/games/video_games...tml?id=1517812

and 1up

http://1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3146238

and we'll be in a lot of other places soon ;)

Dasilva 12-10-2005 02:06 PM
How the hell did it reach to places who dont care much about adventure games? Wierd. :crazy:

Josho 12-10-2005 02:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spitfire
What about SQ7? It seems to be taking the same rout except its keeping a low profile.
I believe (and hope) that they'll change the name. I've been asking them to do it for quite some time.

--Josh

cesarbittar 12-10-2005 02:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spitfire
How the hell did it reach to places who dont care much about adventure games? Wierd. :crazy:
Never underestimate the power of publicity :)


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