Yes i did find the zoomy way that works, which is quite nice, i was getting seasick tho from the angle and the birds eye view...thanks again. I am researching this now on the NWN2 forums, as there seems to be a lot of interest in adjusting the camera in that game and there appear to be some mods for this. There is a lot to this game that allows moding and that interests me, as that was one of the most interesting aspects of my research on the TES games, so thanks again for giving me another chance on this one, I was a bit flumoxed to find that sky view
thanks