Lot's of DOS games, but no DOS computer
OK, as the title suggests I've got a lot of DOS-games on CD, that I've bought through Ebay. But I lack a DOS computer. So far I've managed with DOSBox, but running CD games (from an ISO on the HD) makes the sound stutter and I can't find a way to get rid of it. My computer has got enough power to handle the games so I don't think it's a problem in that area.
Specs: 1.4 GHz Pentium M 768 Mb DDR 290 Gb HD Geforce 4 64 Mb |
You may have trouble running later DOS games under DOSBox with your config, which may explain that the sound stutters. Still, see my two posts there for tips on speeding up DOSBox.
Now, if you're really going to build an old DOS computer: good luck, you'll need it. :) I'd advise you to try and find an early Pentium (90-133 MHz); those usually have ways in the BIOS to disable turbo and/or the system cache; by using those options, you can make your machine as fast as an early Pentium or as slow as a 386 (and anything in between) without having to resort to MoSlo or something equally ugly. The big problem will be the sound. This is when you'll really start regretting DOSBox. I think the ideal config is this: - SB16 for AdLib FM synthesis and digital audio, up to 16-bit samples - Sound Canvas or SCC for high quality General MIDI - MT-32 or LAPC-1 for MT-32 music (a must for older games) The SC and MT-32 are external modules, whereas SCC and LAPC-1 are cards; the best is probably to get one as a card and use its MIDI port to plug the other (as a module). Roland also made a card (or was it a module?) that included both MT-32 and GM, but I can't remember how it was called (and it's very rare anyway). Stay away from the Gravis Ultrasound (good quality, but endless compatibility troubles), and basically anything not from Roland or Creative Labs. And you'll have to get, some way or another, a fantastic programme called QEMM, which is an absolute must to avoid memory problems under DOS. Once again: good luck! :) |
My newest DOS game is Bioforge... All the CD-games suffer from stuttering sound. It's not a LOT of stuttering, but enough for me to notice.
Thanks for the tip! :) |
Have you tried VDMSound? It fixes sound issues on a lot of old DOS games.
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Build a pc, sure.
MdaG why not try buying a cheap old PC on ebay, The last PC I bought on ebay was £2.20, with £18 for delivery. I also purchased a seperate sound card for £0.01, with £2.00 delivery. It isn't that hard to open the case and upgrade it. Then look online to download the files for free. I was lucky enough to get one that already had a 5.1/4 floppy as well. And you can use ebay to source your dos and Win3.0 disks. Have you tried playing some of your discs in XP with compatibility mode? And strangely some of the oldest games can play on XP with no tweaking at all & perfect sound. |
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EDIT: Let's back up a sec... why are you having to run these games from an ISO on the hard drive and not from the CD? Do the CDs not work at all under Windows? |
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*edit* Tried it with my Gabriel Knight CD and is doesn't work at all. I get to see to logo and then it crashes back to the desktop. The same thing happens if try to run it without VDMsound (and using different compatibility modes). Oh well at least I know now that there's an option to DOSBox. VDMSound did however work with the Floppy version of Kings Quest VI :) I would buy a DOS computer as suggested above, but today I have no room for one and I'm not sure I will have in the coming years :-( And my girlfriend would kick my ass if I put an ugly old computer in the living room ;-) |
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But play with VDMSound if you wish. I personally hate it, but I know some love it. And with fov, you're in good hands. :) Oh, and that was my 200th post. And it's talking about the exact same thing as my first one: Sierra games under DOSBox. Is that some weird coincidence, or am I just a complete monomaniac? :shifty: |
Greetings MdaG,
it is either our way or the highway - she's gonna have to put up with it :) Try wearing those boots, mate ;) Just follow Kurufinwe's advice on building and setting up a DOS comp. Keep in mind, however, that there ARE problematic games even on the ideal contemporary machine + DOS 6.22. The one you mentioned - BIOFORGE - is a typical example. It needs a carefully set memory configuration and yet is buggy (save often and if you are stuck right at the beginning, look up the REAL DOOR code swhere not the one you see! Don't believe the log you find if you play on a Pentium - the infamous Pentium bug can mislead you !) On emulation: Even if you have a shiny new, awesome 3.8 Ghz 2MB cache P4 the emulation speed in DosBox will be insufficient at some places in game. After all, it is a protected mode game, pushing the limits of those DX2/66es... But you CAN copy everything to HDD and run it from there ! |
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You could tell her it was a work of art. A newly discovered Dali.:D |
There are better solutions for some of these games than even DosBox.
Check out this patch for GK1. It uses the Windows version of the game, which is on the same CD as the DOS version (installed with setup.exe instead of install.exe). The Windows version of KQ7 (which should be on the same CD with the DOS version, again use setup.exe instead of install.exe) ran fine for me in XP, I just had to change the screen resolution to 640x480 and color depth to 256 colors before launching. What are the other games you're trying to run? |
The games I've aquired are :
*edit* Thanks for the patch! :-) |
King's Quest 1-4 should be fine in DosBox, as should at least some of the Space Quest games. The early ones are not going to have voice so should just be able to run them off your hard drive. I think the Windows version of KQ5 runs in XP if you change your color depth to 256 and screen resolution to 640x480 before launching. Also be sure to check out NewRisingSun's patches for KQ1VGA (although I didn't need it on XP... in fact, I didn't even need DosBox) and the SQ games.
My understanding is that Lighthouse is hard to get going on XP, I think, but you could try following the instructions here. I was able to run 7th Guest on XP with no tweaking at all, using VDMSound. But I think how easy it is to run has to do with which version of the game you have. I'm not sure about some of these others. I don't think Feeble Files works on WinXP, and I feel like maybe Discworld Noir doesn't either. Quote:
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I completely agree with you for KQ7, though (and even more for GK2, mentioned in some other thread); if the game runs just as well under Windows, there's no point in slowing it down with DOSBox. :) Quote:
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EDIT: I've just seen fov's post. She's probably right, actually. Another reason to throw that piece of garbage away. Quote:
Discworld Noir, TLJ and Faust run fine under XP (possibly with compatibility modes). The Feeble Files only run on 95/98/Me (and hopefully in ScummVM soon). Quote:
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Kurufinwe, I somehow know that you will not be shot in the end... you will be slain by Gothmog the Balrog after the Battle under the Stars and your body consumed by spontaneous self-ignition (although a guy called Tolkien used more eloquent terms :D ) |
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*Tries to picture fov as a balrog, Peter Jackson style* :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: *Auto-ignites* |
It's funny. It seems like every week somebody is giving me their old windows 95/98 based computers. I have one back home that I keep for games that I can't get to run with DOSbox or Scummvm or whatever. Just go to any flea market or yard sale and you can usually find one for about $10 or $20.
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