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Tell me again why you feel this way. Why you've ignored the other stuff I said. Right now, you're going around in circles. I've read the website. What I call this "stuff": business. It's not just the music industry that comes off as an evil corporation. Huge car companies (Ford), insurance companies (State Farm), even game companies (EA) all operate in questionable ways. If you want to make a big deal about how evil the music indusrty is, then why not other huge corparations? And rappers who earn it? You gotta be ****ing kidding me. You know how Eminem clawed his way to the top in the underground doing rap battles, being persicuted by his peers because of the color of his skin? Every rapper who is on top now has earned it with hard work and have worked they're whole lives to earn respect. You think that all Eminem's fans are little eight-year-old white kids? You are obviously in no position to judge him when you don't know a damn thing about him. Really, what you are implying is that any rapper who is under a record label has no talent. Jay-Z, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, 2pac, Notorious BIG, TI, Ice Cube, NWA, Lynch Mob, 3 6 Mafia... If I had all day, the list would be tremendious. Blood, sweat, tears. The three things that have been sheaded on the path to the big time. They've all suceeded and they'll be damned I a record label will hold them back. Last edited by SamNMax; 07-18-2005 at 02:25 AM. |
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Commercial, sellout, indie, low budget, superstar... whatever. Eminem's music is fun to me. It's not high art, but not everything has to be. It's not Talib Kweli (or, for that matter, Xiu Xiu, Tom Waits, Autechre, or whoever buys indie cred these days), but I don't care. It entertains me, and there's enough true art out there that I can allow myself some aural junk food once in a while. And honestly, this whole "if you make lots of money, you're a tool" thing is annoying. One doesn't have to be poor to make good art. Shakespeare wrote plays on commission for royalty, and Michelangelo didn't paint the Sistine Chapel for kicks. Great art can, and has, emerged from commercial environments and the desire to make some money. Music is music. Judge the product, not the process. Shutting out any music because of the budget spent on it (high or low) doesn't do yourself any favors. |
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Understanding the appeal of and talent required for a certain genre doesn't always have to mean you like it. I wish more people would understand the difference between "I don't like it" and "it's bad." |
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Not this retarded discussion again. I hate people jumping all over a genre because they have a narrow viewpoint of it. Doesn't THAT sound familiar? Well, "all adventure games a recrap becos I plaied one yeears ago and it was teh suxx0r2 no fighting at all very boring.". This kind of commentary is bred of ignorance and has no respect to the WIDE RANGE of music an entire GENRE delivers.
And quit calling it "rap music". Hiphop is the genre and it encompasses a wider sound than you lame-o's give it credit for. Lucien, you should know better.
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edit - maybe that's a bit harsh. But ignorance breeds contempt if you don't truly know the entirety of a wide range of musical styles within a genre. If you think rap music begins and ends with Snoop Dogg, Eminem etc. and want to base your entire opinion of it on those frontmen, then that just showcases that you don't know much about the genre. You can't just immediately discount it because from what you've heard in the mainstream isn't your cup of tea. Herbaliser might come in from the outfield and shock you. Aim will chill you to the core with Coldwater Music. Jurassic 5 will make you party like there's no tomorrow. Roots Manuva might stun you with something in his lyrics from a perspective you never understood before. Ozomatli and Ojos De Brujo will suprise you with latino hiphop mixed with traditional mexican and spanish music. Saying all rap music is like a certain artist is like saying every FPS is like Doom, or that all computer games are the same, when in all fact you've decided you "don't like something" - without entertaining the possibility that along the way you'll get blindsided and something will come along you might really, really enjoy. It's not like you can have an "inability" to LIKE something, like some AG'ers do with action titles, and sure we have different tastes in music - but discounting someone elses without truly knowing about it is just plain rude. I don't enjoy mainstream pop. Doesn't mean I'm not open to someone changing my mind. I don't enjoy Prince's music, but there are tracks I like within his repertoire and if he were to suprise me, then great! I'm not a massive fan of The White Stripes, or garage rock in general. But their last two albums clued me into how good it can be. If you spend your life closing yourself off to possiblity then you'll never be suprised. By that I don't mean searching out albums and buying a music style that might not be your taste, but keeping an open ear to things just in case something interesting passes you by.
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Cheers, Sam. I just can't stand the offhand slagging off of an entire musical style. I really, really love music in all its forms. Naturally, there's stuff I can't stand, but it varies between track to track. This whole "rap is crap" is such a stupid argument, it's like saying "rock sucks". Well, there's the entire genre of rock music from its roots to now completely destroyed in two words. I know rock doesn't suck as I know so many bands from that style, there's some I don't like, some I really don't enjoy for sure, but there's many bands I DO enjoy. In music, in particular, genre terms encompass so much. Hiphop, or to coin the modern term "Urban", covers rap, mixed music, spoken word, a whole host of influences from rock to soul, live music, prerecorded, electronica... just so much stuff. It's a real magpie musical style, but you can find some amazing, truly innovative stuff there. To discount it is entirely unfair.
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Rap is a vocal performance. People can deliver rap lyrics in so many ways, rap can expound on so many topics, some of the words are as good as the best poetry you can find. Rap can compliment tracks or overbear them. Rap can be done to a beat, or a rythym in the music. You can sing rap. You can chant it. You can make it flow, you can do what the hell you want with it and make a sound your own. You might not like Snoop Dogg. But you might like Kano, Mike Skinner or Ty who rap in totally different manners. Jurassic 5 are about having fun and preaching peace, Dilated Peoples fun in a dirtier manner, Outkast are about experimentation, Pharcyde mix funk in new ways with flowing lyrics, The Fugee's created a real earthy sound with completely different lyricists and voices. Rap can be personal, political, it can be a different view for each track. Rap can flow over the top of live performances by truly talented musicians. Rap can take old tracks and make something new when coupled with a talented turntablist. Rap is just another form of expression within music, it can be as different as night and day. How can you turn around and say that someday you might find a rap artist you'll love? It doesn't make sense. By the way, the comparasions in my first post were purely metaphorical. You know as well as I an adventure gamer might have an inablity to enjoy action games. Most of the people I've been in touch with over the years who keep pressing about how much they don't like action, have nearly always a few titles that suprised them too. Music's different. Unless you're deaf or have some other condition, you can enjoy it. To shut yourself out and convince yourself you don't like something is totally different, and then to slag it off openly to people who enjoy it isn't particularly clever either. Someone who might love heavy metal may have a go at classical music, but eventually a track is going to stun them into realising that isn't the case. There's no point shutting something out with your fingers in your ears going "naanananaaanananaaa it's rubbish"... because then who's going to feel an idiot when you eventually come across a track you really like, or a group you find you enjoy, and admit so to the very people you've just taken time to annoy by expounding how rubbish it is? After all, "people who make such assumptions usually end up looking pretty stupid".
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Once again, another great post.
I myself use rap to vent anger. Some of Eminem's songs, Lil Wyte, and Lil Jon and the East Side Boys, I just love because they know how to get you amped. I dare you to listen "Mosh", "Homicidal, Suicidal", or the entire Crunkjuice album without feeling the urge to beat the crap out of someone. Boy, that's kind of unhealthy. |