HL2 Source code leaked, all goes to hell?

***Marek*** · 10-02-2003, 09:31 AM

What might have been an extremely well-constructed hoax turns out to be actually true. The Half-Life 2 source code has been leaked, and Gabe Newell has issued a statement at HL2.net (or check out shacknews if that server is down). Sounds like a real nightmare for Valve and possibly for the HL2 community.

twifkak · 10-02-2003, 09:55 AM

I know it's unethical to share the source, as companies like this derive a large portion of their revenue from licensing the engine, but I really would like to see it, out of curiosity (since I'll never buy it or work for Valve) for what a decent 3-D game engine looks like. I hope that (for my sake

) it's still floating around on bittorrent come the weekend (when I have time).

PTDC · 10-02-2003, 10:00 AM

It's probably going to be a big setback, I wonder if we'll see HL2 this year. It would be interesting to see the source code, I wouldn't understand it though

If you want to see what a decent (albeit dated) 3D game engine looks like download the quake source code, which you can get legally from ID's ftp server .

Erwin_Br · 10-02-2003, 10:03 AM

Good grief! I wonder if there are any heads going to roll within Valve.

--Erwin

twifkak · 10-02-2003, 10:05 AM

Yeah... actually, I'm a long way from writing my own. I'm probably at the level where I wouldn't learn anything from code more complicated than the quakegl source -- but I'm curious, and a lot has changed since the quake days (no more BSP trees, advanced shading, some wacky subtexture things apparently, lots of awesome animation algorithms). I'm being purely hedonistic, but I'm rationalizing in the same way a d00d rationalizes downloading Photoshop warez.0

Kolzig · 10-02-2003, 10:15 AM

Oh man...

This is just wrong.
Why can some people let good guys like Valve do their work in peace.

This source stealing is something that should be stopped.

Bad, bad world

***Marek*** · 10-02-2003, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Erwin_Br

Good grief! I wonder if there are any heads going to roll within Valve.

Looks like theft, not an internal leak. Though I suppose you can never be sure.

theneb · 10-02-2003, 10:23 AM

Not a supurise with the current annoyance of the delay.

Huz · 10-02-2003, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by theneb

Not a supurise with the current annoyance of the delay.

What's that all about then? Return of the King is taking a while to come out, I'll just go and steal all the filmed location footage? Plz.

MysterD · 10-02-2003, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Kolzig

Oh man...

This is just wrong.
Why can some people let good guys like Valve do their work in peace.

This source stealing is something that should be stopped.

Bad, bad world

Someone must be Steamed about Steam.
That or that SP was going to be played online only.

Royal Fool · 10-02-2003, 12:18 PM

Don't forget that this is only source code. That means no graphics or actual game content. (Except for the level editor, it seems)

Still, it's a huge blow to Valve.

remixor · 10-02-2003, 12:32 PM

Man, I can't imagine how the Valve team feels... They must be enormously frustrated right now. Did you guys read the account of how it was stolen? Crazy stuff.

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Originally Posted by twifkak

companies like this derive a large portion of their revenue from licensing the engine

Very true, though I'd be extremely surprised if anyone sold any products using an unlicensed Source engine.

Probably wouldn't be the wisest move...

twifkak · 10-02-2003, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by remixor

Very true, though I'd be extremely surprised if anyone sold any products using an unlicensed Source engine.

Probably wouldn't be the wisest move...

If you did, you'd have to spend about as much time (money to employ people) covering your tracks so that it didn't look like the engine as it would cost to license the puppy.

Kingzjester · 10-02-2003, 04:03 PM

This is wicked AND royally f----- up. I think that no one will use the bootleg source of the Source engine ever, but it will secretly hang in every programmer's closet for the next three years and will be a source of 'inspiration' when in doubt about bits and pieces of code going into the new game at hand....

This really pisses me off. Really makes me fucking angry...

But I can't say that I don't wish I managed to steal it. I would do nothing with it, I would just burn it on a CD and hide it in my secret pr0n compartment of my big CD folder. The very feeling of sheer power - having pulled this off - would be marvelous.

Perhaps too marvelous. I would try to brag. I would tell Seryozha, for example, in full confidence, and then he would tell someone else, as a secret, and before you know it, I have the FBI knocking at my door...

Whoever did this lives in a place outside of the grasp of American law, like Vilnius, Kuala Lumpur, or Zagreb...

Erwin_Br · 10-02-2003, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingzjester

Whoever did this lives in a place outside of the grasp of American law, like Vilnius, Kuala Lumpur, or Zagreb...

or Moscow!

--Erwin

bigjko · 10-02-2003, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Royal Fool

Don't forget that this is only source code. That means no graphics or actual game content. (Except for the level editor, it seems)

It's the Hammer editor, it's been freely available for a long time, no surprises there...

Royal Fool · 10-02-2003, 11:23 PM

The new Hammer editor was made available?

The new version allows people to convert Half-Life .bsp files so that they can be properly loaded by Half-Life 2, among other things. Along with being immensely more powerful.

twifkak · 10-03-2003, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingzjester

But I can't say that I don't wish I managed to steal it. I would do nothing with it, I would just burn it on a CD and hide it in my secret pr0n compartment of my big CD folder. The very feeling of sheer power - having pulled this off - would be marvelous.

Ah. Well, if you want to burn it to a CD, anywho, all you need is bittorrent and a dream, and it looks like you've got the latter.

remixor · 10-03-2003, 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by twifkak

Well, if you want to burn it to a CD, anywho, all you need is bittorrent and a dream

and a CD.

EDIT: and a CD burner.

DomStLeger · 10-03-2003, 02:47 AM

This must be terrible news for Valve; they've effectively lost their lead over their competitors. Personally I wouldn't rule out industrial espionage considering how valuable the engine is (though that is the least likely scenario and I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist)

I don't understand why it'd delay Half Life though? What can they do about it apart from release the game as planned?

P.S. This will probably make companies think twice about having their internal networks connected to the net; which is a good thing because theres no reason why they can't have a few net stations and then a seperate network for security. It's the only infalible way of protecting your data from hackers - no physical connection to the net right?

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twifkak :P ^^^ at tamz Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Football Town, USA Posts: 1,354	I know it's unethical to share the source, as companies like this derive a large portion of their revenue from licensing the engine, but I really would like to see it, out of curiosity (since I'll never buy it or work for Valve) for what a decent 3-D game engine looks like. I hope that (for my sake ) it's still floating around on bittorrent come the weekend (when I have time). Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ In the next AG crash ___\| A temporary board ____\| I am born to spam In the "Get New" list __\| Scrolling up and down \| I am born to spam through a broadband ISP \| i am back to steal your bandwidth --Spammo-head, "Windbag"

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PTDC Ooh, Betty! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In a spot of bother. Posts: 67	It's probably going to be a big setback, I wonder if we'll see HL2 this year. It would be interesting to see the source code, I wouldn't understand it though If you want to see what a decent (albeit dated) 3D game engine looks like download the quake source code, which you can get legally from ID's ftp server . Share Share this post on Twitter

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Erwin_Br Under pressure. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Apeldoorn, The Netherlands Posts: 3,773	Good grief! I wonder if there are any heads going to roll within Valve. --Erwin Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ > Learn more about my forthcoming point & click adventure: Bad Timing! > Or... Visit Adventure Developers: Everything about developing adventure games.

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twifkak :P ^^^ at tamz Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Football Town, USA Posts: 1,354	Yeah... actually, I'm a long way from writing my own. I'm probably at the level where I wouldn't learn anything from code more complicated than the quakegl source -- but I'm curious, and a lot has changed since the quake days (no more BSP trees, advanced shading, some wacky subtexture things apparently, lots of awesome animation algorithms). I'm being purely hedonistic, but I'm rationalizing in the same way a d00d rationalizes downloading Photoshop warez.0 Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ In the next AG crash ___\| A temporary board ____\| I am born to spam In the "Get New" list __\| Scrolling up and down \| I am born to spam through a broadband ISP \| i am back to steal your bandwidth --Spammo-head, "Windbag"

10-02-2003, 10:15 AM	#6
Kolzig The Reggienator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Vaasa, Finland Posts: 5,519	Oh man... This is just wrong. Why can some people let good guys like Valve do their work in peace. This source stealing is something that should be stopped. Bad, bad world Share Share this post on Twitter

10-02-2003, 10:23 AM	#8
theneb Revolution Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 113	Not a supurise with the current annoyance of the delay. Share Share this post on Twitter

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Royal Fool Statement: Not a meatbag. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Iceland Posts: 813	Don't forget that this is only source code. That means no graphics or actual game content. (Except for the level editor, it seems) Still, it's a huge blow to Valve. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ .::Royal Fool::.

10-02-2003, 04:03 PM	#14
Kingzjester Tactlessly understated Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Niceshire Posts: 2,045	This is wicked AND royally f----- up. I think that no one will use the bootleg source of the Source engine ever, but it will secretly hang in every programmer's closet for the next three years and will be a source of 'inspiration' when in doubt about bits and pieces of code going into the new game at hand.... This really pisses me off. Really makes me fucking angry... But I can't say that I don't wish I managed to steal it. I would do nothing with it, I would just burn it on a CD and hide it in my secret pr0n compartment of my big CD folder. The very feeling of sheer power - having pulled this off - would be marvelous. Perhaps too marvelous. I would try to brag. I would tell Seryozha, for example, in full confidence, and then he would tell someone else, as a secret, and before you know it, I have the FBI knocking at my door... Whoever did this lives in a place outside of the grasp of American law, like Vilnius, Kuala Lumpur, or Zagreb... Share Share this post on Twitter

10-02-2003, 11:23 PM	#17
Royal Fool Statement: Not a meatbag. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Iceland Posts: 813	The new Hammer editor was made available? The new version allows people to convert Half-Life .bsp files so that they can be properly loaded by Half-Life 2, among other things. Along with being immensely more powerful. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ .::Royal Fool::.

10-03-2003, 02:47 AM	#20
DomStLeger Whinging Pom Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: London, England, UK Posts: 1,032	This must be terrible news for Valve; they've effectively lost their lead over their competitors. Personally I wouldn't rule out industrial espionage considering how valuable the engine is (though that is the least likely scenario and I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist) I don't understand why it'd delay Half Life though? What can they do about it apart from release the game as planned? P.S. This will probably make companies think twice about having their internal networks connected to the net; which is a good thing because theres no reason why they can't have a few net stations and then a seperate network for security. It's the only infalible way of protecting your data from hackers - no physical connection to the net right? Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Dom Currently Playing Tex Murphey - Under a Killing Moon (YAY GOG.com!) Recently Completed Broken Sword Director's Cut Still Get Mozilla Firefox! Forget that Chrome and IE rubbish!

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