Metal Gear Solid 4 (Probable spoilers!)

BerserkerTails · 06-15-2008, 11:37 PM

So, just finished MGS4. Loved it, and loved the ending, despite the end cutscene being just over an hour long, haha. For those who have finished it, I've got a few questions that hopefully will be addressed in any further Metal Gear games...

(WARNING, MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD! REALLY, BIG END-GAME SPOILER!!)

Spoiler:
I felt the whole "Raiden needs to go see Dr. Madnar for a dialysis machine" section was really rushed. Especially considering Dr. Pettrovich Madnar was the original creator of Metal Gear in both MG1 and MG2. I thought they would go itno that, maybe a son or daughter, as Snake kills Madnar in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. But they just kinda threw in a line halfway through the act like "Oh, Raiden will be fine... BUT NAOMI ESCAPED!" I'm thinking maybe this is a section that might have been cut for time.

The other thing I was thinking was, doesn't Johnny (Akiba) look like a young Snake? I was hoping that he was a secret fourth clone of Big Boss, one that could be the star of the next Metal Gear game (Which won't be directed by Hideo, but hopefully produced and/or written by). If we're to assume Johnny is the same age as Meryl (28), that would place his birthdate in 1986. Big Boss was definitely still "alive" by then, as the Outer Heaven incident didn't happen until 1995, and he didn't "die" until 1999 in Zanzibar Land. Question is, why would there be another clone made from Big Boss 14 years after the original clones?

Thoughts, anyone?

All in all though, great game. I totally was crying in the end... I felt like Otacon

jedicri · 06-16-2008, 08:42 AM

I so want to read your spoiler post but I've yet have to start Act 3. Between work and other responsibilities, I don't see myeself continuing to play until probably the upcoming weekend .... bummer....

CrimsonBlue · 06-27-2008, 11:00 AM

Spoiler:
I too noticed that Johnny looked like a very young Solid Snake/Big Boss. I was waiting for exactly the same "confirmation" that you did. Maybe this is what Kojima meant that Solid's story is over. 'Cause it is. Kojima and Konami has already confirmed that there will be more Metal Gear games - but they won't center around Solid Snake, as his story is now officially concluded.

Maybe we'll see another Snake sometime in the future, if Johnny actually turns out to be a fourth clone. Maybe the reason he was created (and if Madnar is the same as the one in MG1 or 2) will be explained in a future game, but without being central to the main plot in that game. It could also be that Kojima made him look like a Snake because he simply loves to mess with the players minds.

Personally, I think MGS4 is one of the best games I've ever played, and that includes the first game. It was the perfect conclusion to a fantastically epic story. Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I'll go and play through it again.

Lucien21 · 06-27-2008, 11:48 AM

Kojima needs a damn editor.

VictimOfScience · 07-01-2008, 09:48 AM

Just started Act 5 and even now I can say that it is one of the best gaming experiences I have ever had. The story is incredible and how it is told is amazing as well.

Spoiler:
The noir mission in Prague was AWESOME, as was the bike chase and Raven battle afterward. Then Shadow Moses had me tearing up when the music started playing. Man, I cannot wait to see what else happens!!

CrimsonBlue · 07-02-2008, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VictimOfScience

Just started Act 5 and even now I can say that it is one of the best gaming experiences I have ever had. The story is incredible and how it is told is amazing as well.

Spoiler:
The noir mission in Prague was AWESOME, as was the bike chase and Raven battle afterward. Then Shadow Moses had me tearing up when the music started playing. Man, I cannot wait to see what else happens!!

You're in for the greatest and most satisfying finale in video gaming history.

VictimOfScience · 07-16-2008, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonBlue

You're in for the greatest and most satisfying finale in video gaming history.

Yup, you were not kidding. I have finished it 3 times now, trying for different medals each time. It gets really fun when going for stuff like the crocodile and the one that gives Altair's outfit. It is actually HARD to get the Corpse body camo

Spoiler:
over 40 continues??? UGH.

One of the best games EVER MADE.

06-15-2008, 11:37 PM	#1
BerserkerTails Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 359	Metal Gear Solid 4 (Probable spoilers!) So, just finished MGS4. Loved it, and loved the ending, despite the end cutscene being just over an hour long, haha. For those who have finished it, I've got a few questions that hopefully will be addressed in any further Metal Gear games... (WARNING, MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD! REALLY, BIG END-GAME SPOILER!!) Spoiler: I felt the whole "Raiden needs to go see Dr. Madnar for a dialysis machine" section was really rushed. Especially considering Dr. Pettrovich Madnar was the original creator of Metal Gear in both MG1 and MG2. I thought they would go itno that, maybe a son or daughter, as Snake kills Madnar in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. But they just kinda threw in a line halfway through the act like "Oh, Raiden will be fine... BUT NAOMI ESCAPED!" I'm thinking maybe this is a section that might have been cut for time. The other thing I was thinking was, doesn't Johnny (Akiba) look like a young Snake? I was hoping that he was a secret fourth clone of Big Boss, one that could be the star of the next Metal Gear game (Which won't be directed by Hideo, but hopefully produced and/or written by). If we're to assume Johnny is the same age as Meryl (28), that would place his birthdate in 1986. Big Boss was definitely still "alive" by then, as the Outer Heaven incident didn't happen until 1995, and he didn't "die" until 1999 in Zanzibar Land. Question is, why would there be another clone made from Big Boss 14 years after the original clones? Thoughts, anyone? All in all though, great game. I totally was crying in the end... I felt like Otacon Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Play Two of a Kind.

06-16-2008, 08:42 AM	#2
jedicri Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 129	I so want to read your spoiler post but I've yet have to start Act 3. Between work and other responsibilities, I don't see myeself continuing to play until probably the upcoming weekend .... bummer.... Share Share this post on Twitter

06-27-2008, 11:00 AM	#3
CrimsonBlue Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,167	Spoiler: I too noticed that Johnny looked like a very young Solid Snake/Big Boss. I was waiting for exactly the same "confirmation" that you did. Maybe this is what Kojima meant that Solid's story is over. 'Cause it is. Kojima and Konami has already confirmed that there will be more Metal Gear games - but they won't center around Solid Snake, as his story is now officially concluded. Maybe we'll see another Snake sometime in the future, if Johnny actually turns out to be a fourth clone. Maybe the reason he was created (and if Madnar is the same as the one in MG1 or 2) will be explained in a future game, but without being central to the main plot in that game. It could also be that Kojima made him look like a Snake because he simply loves to mess with the players minds. Personally, I think MGS4 is one of the best games I've ever played, and that includes the first game. It was the perfect conclusion to a fantastically epic story. Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I'll go and play through it again. Share Share this post on Twitter

06-27-2008, 11:48 AM	#4
Lucien21 Psychonaut Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 5,114	Kojima needs a damn editor. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ I'm not insane, my mother had me tested!

07-01-2008, 09:48 AM	#5
VictimOfScience Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: US and A Posts: 175	Just started Act 5 and even now I can say that it is one of the best gaming experiences I have ever had. The story is incredible and how it is told is amazing as well. Spoiler: The noir mission in Prague was AWESOME, as was the bike chase and Raven battle afterward. Then Shadow Moses had me tearing up when the music started playing. Man, I cannot wait to see what else happens!! Share Share this post on Twitter

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