Rumours of Jack Black, Rock n' Roll and Double Fine turn out to be true - Page 7

DustyShinigami · 10-19-2009, 03:47 AM

Now I'm getting really ticked off. My copy should've arrived today but it hasn't.

I. Will. Play. This. Eventually.

DustyShinigami · 11-13-2009, 02:41 PM

Well, it's no surprise really: just like Psychonauts, Brutal Legend hasn't really sold all that well at retail. On the bright side, however, it did beat DJ Hero in sales.

Lucien21 · 11-13-2009, 03:19 PM

Actually I think that is reasonable numbers for a niche game.

Psychonauts sold less than 100k in it's first year never mind first couple of weeks.

Ninja Dodo · 11-14-2009, 02:19 AM

How are you guys finding the game now that it's out?

I just finished it (on PS3) and had a blast. The backlash about the RTS elements seems a bit unfair, though I think this could've been avoided if they'd included some of it in the demo.

I do think the learning curve was a bit off on the strategy side. Without going into spoilers, about half-way into the game you face a new faction for (more or less) the first time and have to figure out how to counter all kinds of new enemies all the while attempting your first full-on Stage vs Stage battle. Way too much to take in all at once when you're dying five times in a row...

It took Schafer's blog post of tips to end the frustration, which is not a good sign. If you need to tell people they're doing it wrong maybe you're failing to communicate something. Double Fine could learn a few things from Valve about player training: never letting you progress until you've understood what you need to know and ALWAYS one thing at a time. In this day and age a game should be learn-able without resorting to a strategy guide. Having said that, once you do get the hang of it, it's a lot of fun.

Incidentally, my PSN id is "ninjadodo" if anyone wants to try the Multiplayer.

Karmillo · 11-21-2009, 07:22 PM

I know what you mean, loved the game but the complete lack of a decent tutorial led me to missing quite a few things on my first play through.
I went through the game no realizing that you could activate all those statues and legends at the start, I thought they were gonna be some story element that you got a guitar solo for.
Also had no idea you could jump in your stage to slow down enemies and blast them back, only noticed the little loading screen tip on my second play through.

Ninja Dodo · 11-22-2009, 12:18 AM

I actually liked that the game didn't explicitly tell you how to free the Legends.

It's fun to figure things out yourself, but you need a relatively safe environment to do so. When you're trying to learn the properties and weaknesses of five or so new enemy units all the while facing off against a fellow-avatar for the first time this is not quite so forgiving.

Henke · 11-26-2009, 10:24 AM

Really great game, almost worth waiting 14 years for (since Full Throttle). I will soon kick start my Xbox live goldmembership and try some brütal multiplayer gaming.

UPtimist · 12-09-2009, 07:13 AM

Did you notice that Tim Schafer was in Late Night with Jimmy Fallon? Now, I haven't been actually following the game, and haven't seen Late Night since Conan left ('cause they now show the Tonight Show), but anyways, thought it might be worth a look, haven't actually seen it myself yet either... It's only about 4:30 long...
http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon...._cid=thefilter

Henke · 12-14-2009, 05:46 AM

I hadn't seen that. Really funny.

10-19-2009, 03:47 AM	#121
DustyShinigami The Quiet One Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Staffordshire, UK Posts: 1,986	Now I'm getting really ticked off. My copy should've arrived today but it hasn't. I. Will. Play. This. Eventually. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Now Playing: Broken Sword: Shadow of the Templars - The Director's Cut (DS and iPhone), DOOM 3: Resurrection of Evil, Hotel Dusk: Room 215, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Justice for All, Silent Hill - HD Collection Recently Completed: Max Payne, Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne Next: Bayonetta, Devil May Cry - HD Collection, Max Payne 3, Metal Gear Solid - HD Collection, Silent Hill: Downpour

11-13-2009, 02:41 PM	#122
DustyShinigami The Quiet One Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Staffordshire, UK Posts: 1,986	Well, it's no surprise really: just like Psychonauts, Brutal Legend hasn't really sold all that well at retail. On the bright side, however, it did beat DJ Hero in sales. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Now Playing: Broken Sword: Shadow of the Templars - The Director's Cut (DS and iPhone), DOOM 3: Resurrection of Evil, Hotel Dusk: Room 215, Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney Justice for All, Silent Hill - HD Collection Recently Completed: Max Payne, Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne Next: Bayonetta, Devil May Cry - HD Collection, Max Payne 3, Metal Gear Solid - HD Collection, Silent Hill: Downpour

11-13-2009, 03:19 PM	#123
Lucien21 Psychonaut Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Edinburgh Posts: 5,114	Actually I think that is reasonable numbers for a niche game. Psychonauts sold less than 100k in it's first year never mind first couple of weeks. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ I'm not insane, my mother had me tested!

11-14-2009, 02:19 AM	#124
Ninja Dodo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,459	How are you guys finding the game now that it's out? I just finished it (on PS3) and had a blast. The backlash about the RTS elements seems a bit unfair, though I think this could've been avoided if they'd included some of it in the demo. I do think the learning curve was a bit off on the strategy side. Without going into spoilers, about half-way into the game you face a new faction for (more or less) the first time and have to figure out how to counter all kinds of new enemies all the while attempting your first full-on Stage vs Stage battle. Way too much to take in all at once when you're dying five times in a row... It took Schafer's blog post of tips to end the frustration, which is not a good sign. If you need to tell people they're doing it wrong maybe you're failing to communicate something. Double Fine could learn a few things from Valve about player training: never letting you progress until you've understood what you need to know and ALWAYS one thing at a time. In this day and age a game should be learn-able without resorting to a strategy guide. Having said that, once you do get the hang of it, it's a lot of fun. Incidentally, my PSN id is "ninjadodo" if anyone wants to try the Multiplayer. Share Share this post on Twitter

11-21-2009, 07:22 PM	#125
Karmillo woof Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: NOT REALLY RIGHT HERE Posts: 4,750	I know what you mean, loved the game but the complete lack of a decent tutorial led me to missing quite a few things on my first play through. I went through the game no realizing that you could activate all those statues and legends at the start, I thought they were gonna be some story element that you got a guitar solo for. Also had no idea you could jump in your stage to slow down enemies and blast them back, only noticed the little loading screen tip on my second play through. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ "I've got nothing to lose! Except for...well everything."

11-22-2009, 12:18 AM	#126
Ninja Dodo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,459	I actually liked that the game didn't explicitly tell you how to free the Legends. It's fun to figure things out yourself, but you need a relatively safe environment to do so. When you're trying to learn the properties and weaknesses of five or so new enemy units all the while facing off against a fellow-avatar for the first time this is not quite so forgiving. Share Share this post on Twitter

11-26-2009, 10:24 AM	#127
Henke Headbanger Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The North Posts: 2,233	Really great game, almost worth waiting 14 years for (since Full Throttle). I will soon kick start my Xbox live goldmembership and try some brütal multiplayer gaming. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ NP: Botanicula, Catherine, Dear Esther, Okami

12-09-2009, 07:13 AM	#128
UPtimist Life and times of... Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Up there in the mist Posts: 6,025	Did you notice that Tim Schafer was in Late Night with Jimmy Fallon? Now, I haven't been actually following the game, and haven't seen Late Night since Conan left ('cause they now show the Tonight Show), but anyways, thought it might be worth a look, haven't actually seen it myself yet either... It's only about 4:30 long... http://www.latenightwithjimmyfallon...._cid=thefilter Share Share this post on Twitter

12-14-2009, 05:46 AM	#129
Henke Headbanger Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The North Posts: 2,233	I hadn't seen that. Really funny. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ NP: Botanicula, Catherine, Dear Esther, Okami

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