05-17-2006, 04:56 AM | #21 |
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I stopped understanding or caring about platform wars at the tender age of 14 (when Commodore died). Geez. At the end of the day, it's all corporate shit designed to get your hard earned money. So what.
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05-17-2006, 05:29 AM | #22 | |
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What's the point of the argument? (I'm not a Sony fanboy and I too have been pretty disappointed with their actions and what I've seen of their games and performance, and I'll probably get the Wii60 instead.) |
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05-17-2006, 06:23 AM | #23 |
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The point is that hype can kill (often superior) competition. A company starts the marketing campaign by spreading cleverly disguised lies and feeding people's delusions. People buy into it and end up getting their system. Third party developers move where the audience is, even if that means developing for a system that's harder and more expensive to program. If I want to play all those great games (that would otherwise end up on other platforms), now I have to buy a system that costs more than the one I originally wanted, offers no substantial benefits over the cheaper one - bar some things I don't need and will never use - and botches the features I actually want. All that not because of its superior quality, but because of pure hype and clever, yet false, advertising.
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05-17-2006, 09:22 AM | #24 |
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Eurogamer must be reading my mind.
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05-17-2006, 09:45 AM | #25 |
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What are the actual hardcore specs for these machines, at least as far as we know at the moment?
I've seen a chart that lists processor, speed, number and types of ports, and all sorts of other ephemera on the new consoles, but I have no idea where I saw that chart. If I remember correctly, the Xbox 360 uses a newer development of the G5 PowerPC processor that powered top-of-the-line Macs until recently, and both Sony and Nintendo use versions of Intel or perhaps AMD chips. Is this correct?
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05-17-2006, 10:05 AM | #27 |
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Sony uses the newly developed IBM cell processor. It's kind of a revolution in mircoprocessors (I won't try to explain it all here, there's plenty of site if you google, but it basically works via large scale paralalism) so it's difficult to compare it's capabilities with conventional processors until we get to see what it's capable of.
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05-17-2006, 10:25 AM | #28 |
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All this Microsoft/Sony bashing just sounds like insecurity to me. XBox360 owners are terrified that the Ps3 could make them all look foolish for buying their console before the PS3 launched. Ps3 fans are worried their machine won't stand up to the 360.
Why don't people just wait until both systems are out, and then the debates can be settled with at least some degree of objectivity? What purpose do these theoretical speculation wars serve? "Countering the Hype" is a pretty flimsy excuse, because it just makes it look like what Sony is saying carries more weight. Let both companies throw their punches for their respective sides. If the 360 is that much better, you have nothing to fear, when the Ps3 launches it won't sell. If Sony's "hype" succeeds then they did a better job promoting their console than Microsoft... Winning the console war does not stop with the box. Don't blame Sony for selling their system in a way that Microsoft didn't. If they get more people to buy their more expensive system, then people found more merit in that one than the 360. |
05-17-2006, 11:04 AM | #29 |
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Hehe! So they all use CPUs that are based on the PowerPC architecture that was originally developed by the AIM (Apple/IBM/Motorola) alliance for use in Macintosh computers? Far out.
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05-17-2006, 11:12 AM | #30 | |
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Hmmm, this is interesting:
Market Research Warns Of PS3 Risk | TotalVideoGames.com, 16 May 2006 Quote:
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05-17-2006, 12:01 PM | #31 | |
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The wii is also based on the power PC with their Broadway CPU. The PS3 however uses the cell processor, a new processor that is very good in floating point arithmetic (which supposedly benefits both gaming and HD). The cell is based on the IST alliance (I made this up ) which stands for IBM, Sony and Toshiba.
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05-17-2006, 12:16 PM | #32 | |
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The PS3 has a 60 GB hard drive. The 360's is 20 GB. So that's 40 GB more and doing some math, the 360 is selling a 20 GB hard drive for 100 dollars, so 200 dollars more. The PS3 has support for 1080p, 360 is 720p. Yes 1080p is not popular now but who knows in a couple of years. The PS3 has blue ray. 360 doesn't and they are offering an HD-DVD addon. We'll see how much that will cost. Gamewise, the 360 had 1 whole extra year for itself in the market, so it's definitely going to have a head start, but in terms of third party support, I don't see the 360 gaining more support than the PS3. In terms of live support, the PS3 has a live support of its own, and its free. So really, besides the price and the ease of development (which doesn't affect you as a consumer), how is the 360 superior?
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05-17-2006, 01:19 PM | #33 |
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I never said that, PS3 is technically a better machine, no doubt about it. It's also way more expensive. No, I don't need a Blu-Ray player (nor a HD-DVD one, for that matter), thank you very much.
Anyway, seems like Xbox 360 finally started outselling Playstation 2. I still haven't bought one, damn. Guess I'm gonna have to give Sony some of my money after all.
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05-17-2006, 01:21 PM | #34 |
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Ok, taking it up a notch.
I read on Eurogamer and Gamesindustry.biz here that the Xbox360+HD-DVD is cheaper than the PS3's cheaper option. The Cell is unproven in terms of tech, most developers writing it off as complicated to program for (hence theoretically faster) but the general concensus is the PS3 isn't techincally much quicker, if at all, than the 360's triple core power pc processors. Bluray is a risk, as is HD-DVD, as either format could fail seeing as DVD has taken grip in 6 years over VHS and the public don't move very quickly in tech terms. Hence why HD-DVD wasn't a part of MS's design approach. New, cheap modifications mean the hard drive space isn't an issue so much on the 360, and there's no reason they won't release 3rd party or cheaper hard drive options in the future when the PS3 is a clear and present danger in terms of competition. We don't know anything about Live support on the Sony in terms of what they're actually offering, and that kind of thing isn't free. Considering the loss in terms of tech development and manufacture Sony are taking it could mean advertising will pay for it - only a theory. The 360 is now also offering Live! Anywhere and has a massive headstart in terms of development, which is easier thanks to the unified process MS developed plus thanks to the earlier release has an already installed userbase. As for 1080p, sure, that MAY be an issue but in the foreseeable future, and in terms of world sales, it isn't. Will the general public care about 1080p seeing as right now, DVD's don't offer it and neither Blu-Ray nor HD-DVD are proven? Having to update all your discs which already offer a reasonable picture when upscaled to even just 720p is not an easy task. As a creative, I'm quite happy with 720p with 4xAA, or even 1080i (which in itself is an upscale) on the 26" HD I have now... and I'm discerning. So much so I had an engineer in lately to check on my samsung due to a perceived fault that ended up not existing. This isn't making excuses. I'd prefer have the 1080p option than not. But right now, the internet is screaming at Sony for dropping the ball. Personally, I feel the same way at Sony right now as everyone did at MS last year and they had every right to learn by that mistake, but somehow they did even worse. MS have learnt and geared up from this E3. Even the most ardent Sony fans groaned at the new controller... who's to say motion sensing games will take off? Maybe even MS will find their hand forced. But in the light of the Wii it felt like bandwagon jumping down to the triggers. Let's be honest beyond being fans here. I am a 360 owner, and I was disappointed in MS last year. I didn't even own a Xbox. Now I've got the 360, I'm a super happy gamer. I couldn't care less about the PS3 mainly as I'm happy with what I've got, but I was sick of defending it over the christmas period to some of you guys. I'd get a PS3 if it was worthwhile and I had the money... but there's no doubting that Sony's E3 performance was lacklustre and the PS3 disappointed after the hype. |
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05-17-2006, 01:58 PM | #36 |
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I doubt many people will get a PS3 just for Blu-ray [note the spelling!]. The whole point of putting the drive in the PS3, surely, is so that Sony's film studios can then release all their videos on the format and win the format war. After all, why would anyone buy HD-DVD if they already have Blu-ray? The problem with this idea is that it relies on the PS3 being a success in its own right. And, currently, I reckon Sony isn't making a particularly good job of it.
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05-17-2006, 02:17 PM | #37 |
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Forgot to mention the PS3 uses regular 3.5 ATA rather than SATA... if anyone wants to get REALLY pedantic about it!
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05-17-2006, 02:29 PM | #38 | |
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Which is a bit of what MS is doing to me. I gotta go buy their damn recharger pack for the the 360's wireless controller, which will set me back another $40.
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05-17-2006, 03:18 PM | #39 |
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If there's many things I hate about the 360 (I love it more than the hates tho) I'd say its their approach to accessories. It's such an obvious money-grab, particularly with the cables. You should try somewhere like play-asia, Trep, as they may be cheaper from overseas.
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05-17-2006, 03:20 PM | #40 |
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I think the recharger's the only thing I'll need now as far as hardware.
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