Which Review Do You Have the Most Beef With?

SakSquash · 03-01-2005, 03:52 PM

I'm voting for Broken Sword II. I thought it was great! It was at least better than 2 stars!

DemonFox · 03-01-2005, 04:41 PM

BK2 only got 2 stars?:eek:
In that case I'm gonna go with BK2 on this one too. It deserves much better IMO.

SakSquash · 03-01-2005, 06:51 PM

Wow....nobody cares?

Wormsie · 03-02-2005, 12:34 AM

Criticising Grim Fandango's music.

Glenn Epic · 03-02-2005, 12:39 AM

Yep, I think Broken Sword 2 definitely deserves more than 2 stars. Likewise I think Toonstruck should be up around the 3.5/4s, rather than down at the 2.5 star mark

Naveed · 03-02-2005, 01:10 AM

The Dig deserved more than 3 stars. It was a fantastic game, at least for me

, and of course Post Mortem, it tried to innovate, it surely deserved more than 2 stars, at least it was a lot better than Mystery of the Mummy, which got 2 1/2 stars

Elton28 · 03-02-2005, 01:25 AM

BS2.

I would have given it a good 4

AF

The Seed · 03-02-2005, 02:51 AM

I know this is going to be hugely contested but...

The Longest Journey - 5/5.

Maybe not so much the fact that it got 5 stars, but more because it got five stars where as certain other games did not (i.e. Grim Fandango, Sam and Max).

And just to rub salt into the wounds...I actually completely agree with the BS2 score. :eek: ...

I know a certain amount of linearity is necessary in adventure games, but for me this one just took it too far. I don't like solving games one screen / one puzzle at a time, which this game did largely consist of.

***Marek*** · 03-02-2005, 03:10 AM

I actually agree. I recently put an editor's note in the TLJ review and bumped its score down to 4.5. (the TLJ review was written by me, so I can do that sort of thing ... I'd never do this with someone's else review of course).

Post Mortem definitely didn't deserve better. The game is filled with good intentions that aren't followed through on.

Glenn Epic · 03-02-2005, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Seed

I know this is going to be hugely contested but...

The Longest Journey - 5/5

The Longest Journey got dropped back to 4.5 a little while ago

EDIT- We posted at the same time Marek

2nd EDIT- No, wait, you beat me by a minute

gillyruless · 03-02-2005, 11:17 AM

Black Dahlia. I think it's better than 2 1/2 stars it received. I would have given it 4 stars. Law and Order II received 4 stars for example, and I for one think that black dahlia is superior to that game.

SoccerDude28 · 03-02-2005, 11:26 AM

Mine is definitely Syberia 4 1/2 stars vs Grim 4 1/2 stars. I have all the respect for Syberia and I think it should get a high score, but putting both these games as having the same score is unfair. Grim is for most of the critics not only one of the best adventures ever made, but one of the best games ever period. I would definitely give it a 5 in comparison.

rio · 03-02-2005, 01:15 PM

Just don't get some people started on Runaways score

(4.5 btw)

Maquisard · 03-02-2005, 03:53 PM

I too disagree with the Runaway score. I lost interest about halfway through. It was the characters in the game that I had most beef with.

wilco · 03-02-2005, 04:20 PM

TLJ got dropped back to 4.5 stars?
So thats my vote. Just leave it at 5 stars. Whats wrong with game anyway?

Ninth · 03-02-2005, 04:27 PM

Equal first would be The Dig, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, and Broken Sword 2, who each deserve more.
Close second is Toonstruck.

So I voted Other.
By the way, seeing Runaway get a higher grade than all these games shows the weakness of the grading system, in my opinion. Not that I've ever seen a good rating system, mind you, and this one is better than most, anyway.
Didn't you ever consider a periodic (annual or something) re-evaluation of grades? I know it depends on various authors and it's difficult, etc... but as such it gives some wrong ideas.

Metallus · 03-02-2005, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deadworm222

Criticising Grim Fandango's music.

AGREED. But my opinion doesn't count given that I still am on the GFN staff roster. And is Syberia *really* worthy of 4.5 stars? I just cannot, cannot, cannot figure out what people see in the game. Good visuals, but everything else was really grating to me.

SakSquash · 03-02-2005, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metallus

AGREED. But my opinion doesn't count given that I still am on the GFN staff roster. And is Syberia *really* worthy of 4.5 stars? I just cannot, cannot, cannot figure out what people see in the game. Good visuals, but everything else was really grating to me.

Syberia got everything it deserved. Maybe I would have given it 4 stars, but 4.5 is close enough! I do agree with everyone's opinion on Runaway, but it wasn't that horrible. I did this poll based on games that got a lower score then they deserved and excluded the ones that got higher than they deserved.

BenjaminBunny · 03-02-2005, 09:04 PM

I played through Broken Sword two and I agree completly. Granted, some people out there will enjoy it, just as the case is with any game ever made, but the overall game design is poor and the presentation is sloppy and incoherent.

In regards to Syberia, the fabulous atmosphere and music really gave it the acclaim it's earned. At the end of a long and stressful school day, escaping into a sleepy and relaxing world like Syberia's is one of the greatest pleasures possible in my humble opinion.

nordic_guy · 03-02-2005, 10:00 PM

Grim Fandango should have got a perfect 5, I'm not sure about TLJ. Maybe 4,5 is the right score for it. I think I'd rank GF slightly higher.

Runaway's score is also way too high, as mention. I think 3 stars would be justa bout right.

View Poll Results: What Review Do You Have the Most Beef With?
Broken Sword II: The Smoking Mirror (2 out of 5)	19	35.85%
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade (2 out of 5)	8	15.09%
King's Quest 8: Mask Of Eternity (2 1/2 out of 5)	1	1.89%
Normality (2 1/2 out of 5)	0	0%
Phantasmagoria (1 1/2 out of 5)	4	7.55%
Toonstruck (2 1/2 out of 5)	5	9.43%
Uru: Ages Beyond Myst (2 1/2 out of 5)	3	5.66%
Other (Please State)	13	24.53%
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03-01-2005, 03:52 PM	#1
SakSquash Banned User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: New Paltz...for now... Posts: 6,177	Which Review Do You Have the Most Beef With? I'm voting for Broken Sword II. I thought it was great! It was at least better than 2 stars! Share Share this post on Twitter

03-01-2005, 04:41 PM	#2
DemonFox Graceful Assassin Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 167	BK2 only got 2 stars?:eek: In that case I'm gonna go with BK2 on this one too. It deserves much better IMO. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Giant Bomb \| Last.fm \| Backloggery \| MyAnimeList

03-01-2005, 06:51 PM	#3
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03-02-2005, 12:39 AM	#5
Glenn Epic How am I not myself? Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Australia Posts: 1,009	Yep, I think Broken Sword 2 definitely deserves more than 2 stars. Likewise I think Toonstruck should be up around the 3.5/4s, rather than down at the 2.5 star mark Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Happenstance

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Naveed Burning Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Karachi, Pakistan Posts: 341	The Dig deserved more than 3 stars. It was a fantastic game, at least for me , and of course Post Mortem, it tried to innovate, it surely deserved more than 2 stars, at least it was a lot better than Mystery of the Mummy, which got 2 1/2 stars Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Spoiler: Monkey Island 2 : LeChuck's Revenge is the best game of all time. Last edited by Naveed; 03-02-2005 at 03:06 AM.

03-02-2005, 01:25 AM	#7
Elton28 Αγαπώ την Κέρκυρα Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: YORKSHIRE AN' PROUD OF IT!! Posts: 649	BS2. I would have given it a good 4 AF Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Μανολι Θα ημουν μαλλον στο ποδιλατο μου!!!

03-02-2005, 02:51 AM	#8
The Seed Irritant F0rum Beasty Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Just lurking... Posts: 990	I know this is going to be hugely contested but... The Longest Journey - 5/5. Maybe not so much the fact that it got 5 stars, but more because it got five stars where as certain other games did not (i.e. Grim Fandango, Sam and Max). And just to rub salt into the wounds...I actually completely agree with the BS2 score. :eek: ... I know a certain amount of linearity is necessary in adventure games, but for me this one just took it too far. I don't like solving games one screen / one puzzle at a time, which this game did largely consist of. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Disclaimer The Seed accepts no responsibility for any damage that my have been caused to your Hard Drive as a result of viewing this post! Last edited by The Seed; 03-02-2005 at 02:59 AM.

03-02-2005, 03:10 AM	#9
*Marek* Puts the 'e' in Mark Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,138	I actually agree. I recently put an editor's note in the TLJ review and bumped its score down to 4.5. (the TLJ review was written by me, so I can do that sort of thing ... I'd never do this with someone's else review of course). Post Mortem definitely didn't deserve better. The game is filled with good intentions that aren't followed through on. Share Share this post on Twitter

03-02-2005, 11:17 AM	#11
gillyruless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 2,022	Black Dahlia. I think it's better than 2 1/2 stars it received. I would have given it 4 stars. Law and Order II received 4 stars for example, and I for one think that black dahlia is superior to that game. Share Share this post on Twitter

03-02-2005, 11:26 AM	#12
SoccerDude28 Homer of Kittens Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: San Francisco, Bay Area Posts: 4,374	Mine is definitely Syberia 4 1/2 stars vs Grim 4 1/2 stars. I have all the respect for Syberia and I think it should get a high score, but putting both these games as having the same score is unfair. Grim is for most of the critics not only one of the best adventures ever made, but one of the best games ever period. I would definitely give it a 5 in comparison. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ -------------------------------------------------- Games I am playing: Jeanne D'Ark (PSP) Firefox rules

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rio Custom User Title Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 271	Just don't get some people started on Runaways score (4.5 btw) Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Joe Blessing Underground Writer Adventure Gamers Underground

03-02-2005, 03:53 PM	#14
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03-02-2005, 04:20 PM	#15
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03-02-2005, 04:27 PM	#16
Ninth Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Paris, France Posts: 6,409	Equal first would be The Dig, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, and Broken Sword 2, who each deserve more. Close second is Toonstruck. So I voted Other. By the way, seeing Runaway get a higher grade than all these games shows the weakness of the grading system, in my opinion. Not that I've ever seen a good rating system, mind you, and this one is better than most, anyway. Didn't you ever consider a periodic (annual or something) re-evaluation of grades? I know it depends on various authors and it's difficult, etc... but as such it gives some wrong ideas. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ ...It's down there somewhere. Let me have another look.

03-02-2005, 09:04 PM	#19
BenjaminBunny fire breathing Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New England Posts: 514	I played through Broken Sword two and I agree completly. Granted, some people out there will enjoy it, just as the case is with any game ever made, but the overall game design is poor and the presentation is sloppy and incoherent. In regards to Syberia, the fabulous atmosphere and music really gave it the acclaim it's earned. At the end of a long and stressful school day, escaping into a sleepy and relaxing world like Syberia's is one of the greatest pleasures possible in my humble opinion. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ ~Tranquility is beyond form, it cannot be grasped and held. It is beyond sound but perhaps within sound, yet it cannot be heard. It cannot be seen yet it lies in everything we see.~

03-02-2005, 10:00 PM	#20
nordic_guy Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Norway Posts: 1,081	Grim Fandango should have got a perfect 5, I'm not sure about TLJ. Maybe 4,5 is the right score for it. I think I'd rank GF slightly higher. Runaway's score is also way too high, as mention. I think 3 stars would be justa bout right. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ If I wasn't just spamming this thread, I'd probably have something interesting to say.