04-10-2012, 04:18 AM | #1 |
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Upcoming forum changes
Hello Adventurers,
It's been some time since there have been any changes on these forums, but there is a big one coming up which we'd like to inform you about. In a couple of weeks we will be launching a new version of Adventure Gamers, and as part of this we will also be opening a brand new set of forums. These forums will be running off new software that provides a better user experience. However, we will not be able to import any content into these new forums, and so the current forums will be turned into a read-only archive. We are now targeting a launch date of May 20 (which is also the 10 year anniversary of AG!) We know changes like this can be disruptive, though we are planning to make the switch as smooth as possible. If all goes well the downtime should be minimal (a few hours at most). We hope you will like the improvements this upgrade will bring. In the meantime, join us later this month in saying goodbye to some of the AG Forums' longest-living threads. Will "Thread Must Die!" finally die? Who will have the final word? We will find out soon! Thank you for being a part of the AG community, and if you have any concerns or questions, please let us know. A few questions we have already answered below. Thanks, The AG Team -------------------------- FAQ Why can't you keep using the current forums? We chose vBulletin as our forum software back in 2000. It served us well for some time but it's come to a point where it no longer fits our needs. The company developing vBulletin changed hands in 2007, and has since been criticized for poor support and buggy updates. In 2010, vBulletin was exposed to a serious security flaw (fortunately, nothing bad happened). We feel it's time to switch to a more reliable forum. No, but really, why are you changing the forums? The new forums will also give us a more modern and secure engine, a cleaner layout, better protection against spam, better integration with the site, and a couple of new features. We hope you'll agree it'll be worth the temporary inconvenience. What will happen to all the current threads? They will all remain accessible at an archive location. Will I need to re-register on the new forums? No. If you have an active account on the forums now, you will have an account on the new forums. However, your signature, avatar, and profile info will not be copied automatically. If you'd like to continue using data from your current profile, you will have to manually copy this over. Of course, this can also be an opportunity to freshen up your signature and avatar. We'll be increasing the maximum avatar size from 80x80 to 100x100, with a maximum file size of 15 Kb. There'll also be a new set of default avatars to choose from. Private Messages will also not be copied over, though will remain accessible at the archived forum. Any more details about the site update? We've aimed to incorporate much of the feedback we've received over the past few years. Stay tuned! Last edited by Marek; 05-09-2012 at 03:53 AM. |
04-10-2012, 05:43 AM | #2 |
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Not the bestest of news, especially because of "old threads" sake. But i guess you had no other choice...
Few selfish wishes, though: don't change the things over-dramatically - it's easier to come up with the "perfect" results in many small updates than in one "Big one". That said, don't change the color layout or the logo for example, because those things are your "brands" for many years and you wouldn't be doing a favor to yourself, if for example, new forums would look like this. As for avatars, they're fine until too big and distractful, so i think this small increase in size won't be noticeable that much. I also hope there won't be an option to put pics into the signature. Forums like these become galleries, and not the place to read things. I also hope the main page of the site won't be changed for the "worse" - because you were on the right path. It didn't feel "sterile" like a Linux desktop, but not too much crowded with info and news, either. Also, we were planning on starting the comm. playthrough, what would happen if we start it before the new forums? It's not possible to "move" the content of any single thread?
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04-10-2012, 06:11 AM | #3 |
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Those are all good points, Diego. We will be keeping the current colours, logo and roughly the same layout. We felt it was very important to fully customize the new forum with the correct styles. The new site/forum should feel very familiar - it'll be an evolution, and not a complete change like the image you linked.
(And if there's any suggestions for small updates, we can take them into consideration. The new templating system is more flexible than our current one.) The details of the layout, font sizes, etc. may change of course. The avatar size is increased as we have a bit more room for them in the layout. We also like not having too many images though, so the rules about images in signatures will remain the same. As for the community playthrough, I suggest starting it as planned, and when the switch happens we can either see if the thread can be imported manually, or we could start a new thread with the contents of the old thread pasted into the first post. |
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(I know that's not constructive or anything, but, well, putting years and years of threads into some archive where they'll be forgotten really, really, really sucks.) Oh, and while we're on the topic of criticism, I hope the awful narrow layout will be gone (for the forums; I don't mind it for the main site), in favour of something wider (ideally using the full width of the screen). When the current design was introduced, I spent time tweaking the css until I got something that was usable, but I'd rather avoid having to do that again. (Yeah, I guess I'm really not in a good mood today.)
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04-10-2012, 09:55 AM | #5 |
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We considered switching to a standalone forum that allows importing, but ultimately chose to go with the forum module that is part of ExpressionEngine, which is the CMS that will also be driving the new site. (If you're curious what it looks like, Double Fine uses an older version of it on their forums).
This has major advantages from a site development point of view, which for us outweigh the issue of having to separately archive the old threads. It's not ideal of course, and we'd definitely prefer to have everything in one place, but practically it might not be quite as bad as you suggest. Nearly all active threads are ones made recently, and the exceptions (such as sticky threads or long-running threads like Thread Must Die) can be restarted. Again, not ideal, but it can be overcome, and I'd expect that within a few weeks of posting things should be mostly back to normal. There'll be a prominently placed link for those who want to dig into the archives. If someone could volunteer to write an import script we'd obviously still love to merge the forums. We looked into having this done professionally, but we currently don't have the resources. The new layout will stay narrow as it avoids excess white space / line length on larger screens (i.e. the idea is that it's more readable for the same reason newspapers have columns). If you prefer it to use the full width, you can of course adjust it with a greasemonkey script or similar. Last edited by Marek; 04-10-2012 at 10:10 AM. |
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I know this sounds like a case of I Already Hate You New Design[TM], but these forums are a rare oasis of sanity and intelligent conversation on a niche subject in the middle of the Internet and so I enjoy visiting them. I understand the new system will be more convenient for you, and you don't have lots of resources, and forum posters only make up a small fraction of the visitors to the site, but please make sure the forums don't become unnecessarily painful to visit. Pretty please? (Do a Kickstarter to get money to make the forum experience not suck! I'll pledge!) Quote:
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04-10-2012, 02:01 PM | #7 |
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We'll do everything we can to incorporate feedback into the new forums.
Double Fine runs on version 1.x whereas we'll be running 3.x, so there may be differences. Searching for member posts will show the topic titles they've posted in, and below that a bulleted list of posts they've made within that topic. Seems like a good way to display results. Not sure about the 'go to first new post link' - I will check this. I've done a tweak to the CSS which should give you a very easy hook for adjusting the width. You'll only need to override 1 CSS property. Last edited by Marek; 04-10-2012 at 02:15 PM. |
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It's the end of the world as we know it (and I DON"T feel fine!!!).
Seriously, I can't believe you guys are going to let threads like Adventure game scene... uh, game, community playthroughs (and so many more) go down the drain.
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I don't think archiving the old forum is that big of a problem. In most cases new posts in a forum thread are only related to recent posts. So as long as the person who continues a thread in the new forum adds a link in the first post to the archived thread (and, if it makes sense, also copy the content of the first post in the archived thread and/or the last post), things should be fine *in most cases*.
The forum change is obviously not ideal, but I don't see it as a big issue. EDIT: Arh, accidentally left out the word 'copy' ("also copy the content..."). Last edited by Jannik; 04-10-2012 at 04:16 PM. |
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I hear Kickstarter style community funded projects are very popular recently!
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04-11-2012, 07:47 AM | #11 |
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The forum change will only be inconvenient for the first few days. After that, most of the long-running threads here will have been started again. Plus it's not like anything is going to get deleted, now, is it?
I'm all for the changes!
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04-11-2012, 09:13 AM | #12 |
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Mar(e)k you haven't mentioned anything concerns the Poll's system upgrade , will it be eliminated ? if not , are there any changes vital or minor ..maybe! , like more choices more features ?
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I'm fine as long as the new forum doesn't require captcha, that's one of the reasons I use this forum.
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Cool -- I was just thinking of how the current site design has almost passed its use-by date. I hope the new home page puts news articles in with reviews, previews etc. and lists them all chronologically in one place (and not trapped inside a little box with a scroll bar :-P)
I have no problem with old threads being locked as long as they still exist somewhere. Looking forward to it!
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You'll definitely still be able to post polls. We had some debate about this, and even mocked up a unified feed, but it looked pretty messy (e.g. with some items having images and some not). So news will keep its own little corner, though the scroll bar is 100% gone. That thing was never a good idea. |
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04-12-2012, 04:23 AM | #17 |
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Ah well, you can't win every battle. What about the Hype-o-Meter and Scene of the Week -- staying or gone!?
I do like the user quote above the latest forum posts -- I hope that stays in some form or another. It's a nice little gateway into a thread you may have previously missed, and it makes that user feel special. At least I did when I used to be chosen :-P Before I stopped posting regularly, but I'll start posting more now that I'm back into the adventure game swing.
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I don't mind the long threads being archived. I rarely go back more than a few pages to check something anyway, and the really long threads tend to load slowly.
Best of luck with the changeover, Marek! There are bound to be small glitches, but hopefully nothing major. (Fingers and toes crossed, just in case.)
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04-13-2012, 03:32 AM | #20 |
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What can I say, having to reopen all the long running threads really sucks , but I guess there is no other way to do it.
I do however have a question about profile info. You said our profile info and signature will disappear. Will the number of posts we made and the threads we opened also disappear? And how about our friends list? Are we going to have to add our friends again?
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