04-03-2004, 06:32 AM | #61 |
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[IMO]At least one of the Kyrandia games should be in top 10,(probably the third one).
A Larry game should also be included. And latter two GK games should not be neglected. [/IMO]
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It also includes full disclosure of the games people brought up during the resulting discussions that I had been unable to play before compiling the list, including Discworld Noir (I don't believe the first two games are Top 20 material), Sanitarium (which I have since remedied), Cruise for a Corpse (ditto), and Sherlock Holmes: Rose Tattoo. I'm sure someone can come up with an archive.org link to this article. I like all the Larry games very much, but would have a very, very difficult time making a case for any of them being anywhere near the Top 20. Today, I think I maybe could put LSL3 somewhere 25-40, but that's it. Same with the Police Quest series, which is absolutely my favorite PC game series ever, but there aren't any really great games in the series. I liked Legend's adventures, but there's nothing there I would consider Top 20 material. I plan on replaying Death Gate again soon though, as some who I respect have told me my judgment erred on that one. Syberia will never make the Top 20. I'm as big a fan of Syberia as anyone, but there's no valid argument for it to be considered one of the truly elite adventures ever. It's just the best adventure since TLJ. And by the way, there were really only two reasons I wrote this Top 20. 1) To get people talking about old adventure games, and 2) To make people think about how they would rank the greatest adventures ever. This isn't any sort of "The List" or anything, I'm just a critic and a fan like everyone else, and you're all free to write your own lists; in fact I would encourage it. And finally, before I really do retire from adventure games forever, allow me a moment to cackle hysterically at the notion of something from the Gobliiins series being in the Top 20. - Evan
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I remember that article, but my question is - will the forementioned games make the top 20 this time? In my opinion, the plots of "The beast within" and "Blood of the sacred, blood of the damned" were much more solid and realistic than this of "Sins of the fathers". Also, Kyrandia 3 is far better than Pepper's adventure in time and "The pandora detective", which made it to the top 20. And will there by another list this year?
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First of all, Evan, congratulations on doing a top-20 adventure games list. I think I would have placed the Longest Journey, and Grim Fandango both a little higher. I must admit though that I've not played some of the other games on the list, especially Beneath A Steel Sky, but the way you described it makes it sound like it's really entertaining. I'll have to download it sometime. I'm actually surprised that you chose Day of The Tentacle as the greatest adventure game of all time. I'll have to play that game again someday to see what's so great about it. Don't worry, I'm not dissing you for making that choice.
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about DOTT being in the first place - just one question to all the "LucasArts has 8 adventures, Stinger is a corporate whore" people - What other game would have YOU put in the first place?
There is no OTHER game deserving the 1st place. Anyway, Evan, congrats on making such a neat list. There are only 5 adventures that should have been put in there. 1. Myst - I'm not a fan but since Maniac Mansion is there for historical value then Myst should be there too. 2. Sanitarium - one of my personal favourites. 3. Simon 1 - this is one of the 21-30th place in your list, I believe. Anyway, it's worth putting on the list. 4. Discworld 1 - one of the most hilarious game EVER! 5. Curse of Monkey Island - again it should be one of the 21-30th games. By the way, did you notice that there were NO FMV games? Anyway, Evan, hope you have a TOP 50 ready by X-mas. |
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Let me be the second designer to address you, Stinger, with the fact that I am hugely disappointed that the classic "Moloch" didn't make it to the top 20 of all time. Surely the most underestimated adventuregame of our time.
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Grim is a personal favourite of mine also, maybe even my all time favourite, but that's not to say I think it should be declared the best ever. I think that the choice of DOTT is a good one, because it's pretty much the full package, and certainly has the cleverest puzzles i've ever seen. |
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One thing that GK3 and GF have over DOTT is a deep plot, not one taken out of a cartoon.
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Man, Runaway didn't even stand the test of time while I was playing it for the first (and last) time.
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Take a comedy film for example, it’s unbelievably funny when you watch it and you go out of the movie theater with a big smile on your face, but you forget it fairly soon. That’s a lot like DOTT. If you look at a movie with more depth and different kinds of emotion you tend to remember it longer and ponder about what happened in the film and what it was trying to say to its audience. More often than not that doesn’t happen with a comedy. There are good moments in DOTT that you remember though, like the three presidents and Ben Franklin, for example. The humor is great and the intro a classic. Kingz said that the puzzles are very "story-relevant" and I must agree on that, but as much as I would like to say that this game is flawless, I can't. It has its lows just like it has its highs, although there definitely is more of the latter. Well, my ramblings might not make much sense. It's in the middle of the night when I'm writing this, but if there's anything weird in the text I'll get back to you tomorrow. |
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