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Did you know that the social structures of online communities are being studied intensely by sociologists, anthropologists, psychologists, economists, and experts in the field of Human Computer Interactions (HCI) known as Computer-Mediated Communication? There are complex theories describing the relationship between moderators and posters and what effect is has on the health of a community. Several of my university professors had done extensive research in this field. Which is not to say that my comments were based on science. They were almost entirely derived from experience and intuition. Quote:
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Well, that's not entirely true. I do realize the problems it causes: the way it can add fuel to conflict, and above all how it generates more work for the moderators. (If Fum hadn't made his post public, I wouldn't have posted a reply, and you wouldn't have to spend time responding to me.) This is where that difference in perspective comes in. Maybe to you it just means more to deal with, while from where I'm standing it means a healthy, open dialog, and an opportunity to build the social capital of our community. The people who run things have always found it more convenient to keep information confidential than to release it to the public. (You could even state it as a principle: The amount of classified material as a percentage of documents produced will steadily increase throughout the lifetime of an organization. I work in a company where the process has gone so far that I discovered yesterday I can't even read my own project blog.) However, the most convenient thing is not always the best thing. There's certainly information that shouldn't be made public. Say, the identity of undercover intelligence agents. However, I think most people would agree that the government over-classifies many documents, simply because it's the easiest thing to do. Hmmm... I don't really mean to compare the mods here to the Bush administration. Just to suggest that increased transparency might be worthwhile, even if it's a hassle (and even if people are never going to be satisfied). Quote:
Just kidding! Well, except it did read like that when I first saw it. I guess it's about as silly as when a moderator takes a question about one of their decisions as personal criticism. Yeah, it's very easy for these things to turn confrontational and escalate. If I may, I suggest we all cut each other some slack, and assume everyone has the best of intentions.
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So speaking as a mod who had to take a vacation for several weeks, I hope people can at least have some idea how I work and how stressful it can be at times.
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Thanks Snarky, I agree with what you said about the benefits of open discussions. I understand the mods have been working behind the scenes on some of the issues that have bothered me, but the problem with that is the issues occurred in public, and an empathetic person like me can get very annoyed on someone else’s behalf, and even though the issue might have been resolved with said someone else, the person like me is still annoyed by it. I know no organization wants to discuss their problems in the open (even the minor ones I've brought up), but I really don't see any harm, and much to gain for the community at large.
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Well, I'm not going to bother arguing your analogy. For a cop, a teacher, a parent, a boss, a moderator or whatever, sometimes authority needs to be asserted (sometimes not). Depends entirely on the context, but that likelihood jumps dramatically when that authority is challenged. Not surprisingly, a criminal, student, child, employee or forumite are liable to have a different opinion on whether that's true when it concerns them. In any case, everyone knows we don't use "overwhelming force" even if we don't always, absolutely, utterly, 100% of the time wear plastic smiles and detail our every action.
Since you're not discussing specifics, I can't answer specifics. Despite some intelligent comments on the benefits of dialogue, frankly I'm still not even really sure what the gripe is. Apparently one or two threads were closed that someone wanted to stay open? Is that it? |
10-28-2005, 11:15 AM | #53 |
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I haven't really read all of the posts in this topic, but I don't see how you can complain about the AG mods. This community is one of the most laid-back places you will find. There are other boards I post at where you can really see the staff abuse their power. I think the mods here respect everyone and if a topic is closed it's usually for good reason.
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I should clarify my last post. Fum, I realize you did actually specify one or two issues earlier. But since we'd gone back to generalizing, my comment was more intended to say that it's impossible to discuss specific incidents in a general way.
So, okay, a thead closing and a (possibly) slightly over-harsh tone, then. I'm still a little hazy on why that needs a town hall meeting. It's hardly endemic, after all. |
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10-28-2005, 12:58 PM | #56 |
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This thread is really starting to frustrate me. I had nothing to do one night, so I wrote the post up. Was doing this really such a big deal? It's not an epidemic, I know, in fact in my first paragraph I acknowledged that the post really wasn't necessary (did that get skimmed over because it was parenthesized?). And Legolas, if you had read all the posts, you'd see that I also have agreed a few times that this forum isn't under my purely imaginational "syndrome." But some of what I have seen of late worries me that it might be slowly, slowly moving in that direction. Maybe. Probably not, but I'm just making a small effort with the intention of preventing it from falling under the “syndrome.” I have acknowledged that this forum is easily the most sensibly moderated forum when compared to just about every other forum I've visited - all of which I'd easily say are under my “syndrome” - and that is precisely why I care about this place, and why I made this small, harmless, effort to try and keep things cool here.
I will also acknowledge now, Jackal - just to be clear - that you've made a lot of good points in this thread, especially the one about things being a "two way street." You can pretty much assume that every point you've made, and that I haven't yet rebuked, I agree with. Just to be clear. And fov, watch it with the chocolate talk, that beautiful woman named tobacco might shut us down.
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