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Old 09-29-2005, 09:24 AM   #1
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I'm not suggesting that both violence and sexuality were anything but core in telling the story of Fahrenheit, so this is in no way an accusation of "selling out" by including them, but do you think it would have sold as well without? Do you think that character progression and tight narrative is enough to shift units, especially to the kind of gamers that want to see nothing but gore, guns and girly pics? If for instance, we were to take a cinema classic (I'll pick one I know you like and that fits with the theme) such as Citizen Kane, and did a similar thing in interactive drama form, with a tight plot, plenty of interaction and great characters, would it stand a chance? Do you think your sales would have been as good if it wasn't for murders, cops, and kick ass kung-fu? Do you think anyone's ever could be?
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As you noticed, violence and sex play a very minor role in the game, and when you look at gamer's feedback, you realise that what they enjoyed the most were the scenes where they shared the private lives of the characters, which are the less spectacular of the game.

I am surprised myself, because I felt like I "had" to include spectacular action scenes to get gamers' interest, and I was wrong.

Gamers become tired of getting more violence and special effects all the time, I guess at least some of them are looking for something different, which they found in Indigo Prophecy.

I guess there will be a time where we will be able to offer Shakespeare pieces as interactive drama, or Woody Allen stories. And this day may not be that far...

Sex and violence played absolutely no role in the success of the game. I think that the will to create emotions and the possibility to really play in a story were the appealing elements of the game.
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So you didnt want to create some 'hot coffee' mod into the game then?

*prodding at some mishap game won't mention which one*

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I am surprised myself, because I felt like I "had" to include spectacular action scenes to get gamers' interest, and I was wrong.
Woo! It's great to hear you say this. A lot of adventure fans are turned off by action added to a game just to attract a wider audience. Now you just have to convince the publishers it isn't necessary.

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I sure hope so.
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Agreed, for me the absolute strong point of the game was the emotion.
But IMO, the sex played a big part in this emotional aspect, so in that way, it did add to the success of Fahrenheit.

SPOILERS AHEAD
Speaking of emotions, it would have been REALLY cool if you could feel Lucas's doubts and fears even more. When you see that scene with the ritual in his room, I thought for a moment that maybe he really WAS going mad and really DID commit the murder himself.

I really really enjoyed the first 2/3rds of the game. There was this melancholy, this silent sadness over the game, I loved it. When the AI and the Mayans started joining in, the game kind of lost me, though.

Take these as hints for Fahrenheit 2

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mmmh....in my opinion the sex scenes don't play such a big role....

the fighting scenes (destroying the keyboard, yeah ) where much more important.

mmmh....i have the german version (but i played in original "english" cause of the bad german sync)....i heard that the sex scenes where cut in the american version...is it true?.....just like gta:sa, the hot-coffee-mod and Hillary Clinton
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Well on the contrary to what David think sex has played its part very well atleast 40% in the success of Fahrenheit.Forums are full of people asking about sex scenes most of the people are importing ,going the trouble of importing just for playable sexscenes ,maybe thts the reason it sold high in european countries because of uncensored version.
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Maybe, but don't forget, though, that those people who have played the uncensored version don't tend to believe the bits getting censored out would have change their like of it. I've even heard contrary opinions (which I happen to share) from BoyToy... perhaps playing Indigo Prophecy would have been better for us.
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As someone who has only played Indigo Prophecy and not the uncensored version I can tell you that it didn't affect my love for the game

I don't think sex is that nessesary but it is kind of odd that censors make it out to be worse than violence (when sex is natural and killing a man is wrong).
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Its just that a controversial game gets more attention and if the word sex comes in it people get crazy to find out about the title, that they havent heard about before .
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Personally I'm not missing the sex scenes so much (still playing the game), because from what I've heard and from what comments David has put out, they're not necessarily vital to enjoying the story and game. Still, I think it's rather disappointing how this game undeservedly got tangled up in the whole game content scandal with GTA: SA.

Not sure if David and Guillaume have played Max Payne 2, but I thought the sexuality was handled very well in that game. There was no nudity and no actual graphic portrayal of sex, but the atmosphere was thick with sexuality. I really liked how they conveyed it.
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As someone who has only played Indigo Prophecy and not the uncensored version I can tell you that it didn't affect my love for the game

I don't think sex is that nessesary but it is kind of odd that censors make it out to be worse than violence (when sex is natural and killing a man is wrong).
you're absolutely right...as said, i own the uncensored german version, i really don't understand the american censors....

as said, the sex scenes are just a "little funny thing" in the game...for me...they are not really necessary...but i don't understand people like hillary clinton and so one...cause you see NOTHING...just b00bs sometimes, no genital at all.....it always will be a mystery to me....
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As you noticed, violence and sex play a very minor role in the game, and when you look at gamer's feedback, you realise that what they enjoyed the most were the scenes where they shared the private lives of the characters, which are the less spectacular of the game.

I am surprised myself, because I felt like I "had" to include spectacular action scenes to get gamers' interest, and I was wrong.
Je pense que le plus important c'est d'écrire le scénario le plus "juste" à ses yeux pour ne pas avoir de regret Le pire est sans doute de regretter une scène qu'on ne voulait pas (ceci est un message subliminal pour une version Director's cut lol)
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See what I can't understand is why the american censors affected us here in canada. I've seen far worse on TV as early as 10:00pm!!

I think people overreacted really. Why can a game such as Leisure suit Larry MCL (full of sex and nudity) and a game such as Doom 3 (full of violence and gore) exist....and yet combining small fragments of both is a no-no. I just don't get it.
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I seem to have kicked off the whole sex thing again... oops.
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See what I can't understand is why the american censors affected us here in canada. I've seen far worse on TV as early as 10:00pm!!

I think people overreacted really. Why can a game such as Leisure suit Larry MCL (full of sex and nudity) and a game such as Doom 3 (full of violence and gore) exist....and yet combining small fragments of both is a no-no. I just don't get it.

Yeah but problem lies in the elders who percievevideogames as Children entertainment.
In NA games are for kids and shuld not contain adult material even if its rated mature
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Yeah but problem lies in the elders who percievevideogames as Children entertainment.
In NA games are for kids and shuld not contain adult material even if its rated mature
Yeah, that's what I stated in my post above.
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Short of playing the game, is there a way to find out which version of the game I have?
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Short of playing the game, is there a way to find out which version of the game I have?
If it's called Indigo Prophecy, you have the North American (slightly censored) version. If it's called Fahrenheit, you have the European (uncensored) version. The title should be right on the box or DVD case.
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Unfortunately, I've only borrowed the game from a friend (for now. I think I might buy it soon because I'm loving it so far -- even though I've just begun) so I don't have anything other than the disk. In the training, David said "Welcome to Fahrenheit..." or something. In the North American version, does he say "Welcome to Indigo Prophecy..."?
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