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Old 05-27-2005, 11:03 PM   #81
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Hm, don't know which parts of Munich you've been to but I know far more Bayern fans than "Sechsiger". The only 1860 fan I know lives in the flat below and he's a grumpy old sod (I don't think being an 1860 fan has anything to do with that but who knows ).

That's what I've been told. Okay, the younger crowd consists of Bayern supporters, but the old sods... Heck, even Edmund Stoiber (Bavaria's minister president) is a Sechz'ger. 1860 was the first club from Munich to play in the Bundesliga when it was founded in 1963, Bayern promoted one year later and gained popularity in the 70s. Just found this one:

http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/...ad.php?t=27454

I think it's pretty much the same as with AC Turin and Juventus, for example.

Turin, now in the upper echelon of Italy's Serie B, historically has represented the local working class versus a nationwide base of support for Juventus, the bianconeri. (http://www.theglobalgame.com/gleanita.htm)

The game today? 2-0. Two goals by Mehmet Scholl.
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Old 05-28-2005, 12:01 AM   #82
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I say kick Everton out. They won't get far. Probably lose to some eastern European team. ;D
I don't think so, Everton has finally accomplished something big in over 10 years. Nobody will take their CL spot away.
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That's what I've been told. Okay, the younger crowd consists of Bayern supporters, but the old sods... Heck, even Edmund Stoiber (Bavaria's minister president) is a Sechz'ger. 1860 was the first club from Munich to play in the Bundesliga when it was founded in 1963, Bayern promoted one year later and gained popularity in the 70s. Just found this one:

http://forums.soccerfansnetwork.com/...ad.php?t=27454

I think it's pretty much the same as with AC Turin and Juventus, for example.

Turin, now in the upper echelon of Italy's Serie B, historically has represented the local working class versus a nationwide base of support for Juventus, the bianconeri. (http://www.theglobalgame.com/gleanita.htm)

The game today? 2-0. Two goals by Mehmet Scholl.
Interesting links, thanks. I guess one of the reasons 1860 maybe has a smaller fanbase now is becuase not only do Bayern have a vastly superior record of successes historically, but Munich itself is not so industrialized as many footballing cities. As much as I don't think it right, there can be no argument that an element of support for all clubs is class-based or, in the example of Glasgow Celtic and Glasgow Rangers, religiously-based.

In saying that, of the two teams from my hometown of Birmingham, Aston Villa and Birmingham City, Villa are the better supported in terms of numbers (I'm one of them) as they are the older and vastly more successful historically, but the "Blues" fans are just as loyal in their (not much) smaller numbers. Birmingham is an Industrialized city (albeit a shrinking Industrialized city) and my Dad, who spent nearly all his working life in factories, would probably agree that there were more Blues fans working in these than Villa. But then it is area based too, as the Blues and Villa stadiums have always been located in different areas of the city. Birmingham City were originally called Small Heath, which is a small, fairly rundown area of the city. Villa on the other hand had their stadium built facing the old stately home, Aston Hall, in what was then considered a more middle-class area of the city (not so much now though).

One big difference I do notice though between the two Birmingham teams and the two Munich teams is the fans of the Munich teams (with a few exceptions of course) have no problem getting behind either team when it's a big game. On the other hand, the Blues and Villa fans love to hate each for the main part and can't hide their excitement when the other team loses. There is no stranger sound than a group of Blues fans at a game against say Newcastle singing "Shit on the Villa". Even stranger when they used to do it whilst playing in a completely different division.
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Curt, have you been at the Allianz Arena yesterday (I wasn't, Munich is quite a few kilometres away from here...)? Funny game (Bayern 4, Germany 2 ).
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Finland - Holland game is starting right about now.

It's full house at the Olympic Stadium at Helsinki, 35000 spectators.
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Yeah and Germany plays against Russia today. Is that a.. qualification game between Finland and the Netherlands?
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Oh, just checked. It is. 9 points... But good luck anyway.

Hm, there's no channel that will broadcast the Argentina-Brazil match here.. Maybe Eurosport, but I dunno.
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Finland had a great pressure through the whole first half, but Holland had only one real shot on goal, and Ruud Van Nistelrooy did not miss that chance...

So the score 0-1 at half time.
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Jeeehaw. Holland came, saw and murdered our finnish team 0-4.
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Korea's in. Just beat Kuwait 4-0. See you in Germany!

Korea beat European power houses like Portugal, Spain, and Italy and made it into the semi finals in last World cup before bowing out to Germany. Can't wait to see how well they will do in Gemrmany.



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Curt, have you been at the Allianz Arena yesterday (I wasn't, Munich is quite a few kilometres away from here...)? Funny game (Bayern 4, Germany 2 ).
Sorry, I have only just seen this post. No, I haven't been yet, but I'm on a promise to take Megs' son in the new season so I won't be able to get out of that.

Looks a superb stadium. I did see some of the Bayern v Deutschland game and the first goal was decidedly easy if you ask me, almost as if Bayern were meant to score the first goal for all the fans there.

Oops - Russia have just equalized. 2-2

Highlight of the month so far though has to be Sarah Connors rendition of the German National Anthem. Oh boy, what a cock-up. The radio stations have really been taking the piss out of her this week. That's what you get when you try to Americanize the national sport - serves them right.
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Gah, that long-pass playing style of Finland was quite annoying. Why does their team even have midfielders, I wonder? The game wasn't spectacular, but I'm glad we scored 4 times.

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Mexico just won 2-0 against Trinidad & Tobago, we have one foot in Germany
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So do we in the good old USA. USA beat Panama 3-0 last night. *sigh* I had to wait till 11 o'clock at night (even though the game started around 9) to watch the game on Telemundo tape delayed and in Spanish and I don't speak Spanish. Our female national team came in the third place and the male team reached the quarter finals in the last World Cup and MLS is doing very well, and lots of kids play the game now, so much so that the term, Soccer Mom was invented, and the game still gets no respect. How exasperating!
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Gah, that long-pass playing style of Finland was quite annoying. Why does their team even have midfielders, I wonder? The game wasn't spectacular, but I'm glad we scored 4 times.

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The only thing we have after Litmanen is out of the field is the "classic" long pass style.

Oh well, our coach is going to get sacked very soon, I don't even have a clue who is going to replace him.
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Highlight of the month so far though has to be Sarah Connors rendition of the German National Anthem. Oh boy, what a cock-up.
Ha ha! I missed it. I'm glad I did. (And I don't even know what exactly went wrong)... I joined my neighbour in front of his TV after the show featuring T. Gottschalk was over.


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Hm, didn't the female US team lost the finals to our female team in the last tournament? Exciting game.. They've been on top for quite a long time.. My English prof at college didn't really care either three years ago, when the male team reached the quarter finals. And yes, he is from the US. It's indeed a bit weird. The whole world is watching Soccer and no one in the US but SoccerDude and you gives a damn about it.
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Brazil lost to Argentina 3-1

@samIamsad: The only reason me and gilly give a damn about soccer, is because we lived for a while outside the US
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Litmanen?
Well, actually I read from a newspaper today that Litmanen could be a great choice, every player in Finland respects Jari totally and he is a tactical and a technical genius when it comes to football.

But he himself has said that he will continue playing football, I think he wants to help Finland to go to 2008 European Championship Tournament.
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The FIFA Confederations Cup starts today. Participants: Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Germany, Greece, Japan, Mexico, Tunesia.

Today's matches:
Argentina - Tunesia in Cologne
Germany - Australia in Frankfurt

Quite a dress rehearsal for next year's World Cup.
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