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Agnostic 19 18.63%
Atheist 31 30.39%
Buddhist 3 2.94%
Christian (non-Catholic) 21 20.59%
Catholic 9 8.82%
Hindu 2 1.96%
Jewish 2 1.96%
Muslim 1 0.98%
_____, you insensitive clod! (other) 9 8.82%
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Old 09-13-2003, 11:22 AM   #61
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I believe in evolution.
It's not like religions collide with evolution theory. Creationism and evolutionism for example can complement each other - evolution does not explain how life emerged but Bible does.

Me, I'm a DEIST. And may the force be with you all
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Alright if you see appropriate. I am still open for some dibate if anyone wants. (For the record, not accusing anyone(ANYONE can believe anything they want, just don't harm yourself and other people (golden rule), just using some logic and seeing past the words not trying to create new dictionary...which could be cool actually )
I'm still failing to see your "logic" - you just talked about the atheists you've seen, and presumed to know how their minds worked. That's not really logic. That's theory derived from observation.

I also doubt you were "seeing past the words" - I'm pretty sure you disregarded the words entirely and went off on a tangent.
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Being an atheist means that you believe in nothing at all, you don't believe in a upper-being, you don't believe in nature, you don't believe in the power of love or feelings, you don't believe in human wanting to be greater, better and wiser, you just accept your surroundings as they are never wanting to do something better, you believe in Nothing...thus you are not human you are animal. (my opnions)
Pardon? Quite simply, an atheist is someone who doesn't believe in God. Those people who call themselves atheists might have lost their belief in themselves, but that's no reason to label all atheists.
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Being an atheist means that you believe in nothing at all, you don't believe in a upper-being, you don't believe in nature, you don't believe in the power of love or feelings, you don't believe in human wanting to be greater, better and wiser, you just accept your surroundings as they are never wanting to do something better, you believe in Nothing...thus you are not human you are animal. (my opnions)
*sigh* you may believe what you like, but the fact remains that that's not true.

Still, it's good to have something to remind me precisely why I dislike you so much

<deletes the other stuff she wrote after scrolling down> what twif said

Also, saying you're an atheist to look cool? A) that's stupid and B) in my case, at least, incredibly counter-productive, because over the years I've got a HELL of a lot of shit from about everyone I know about my beliefs (admittedly, I live in a more religiously conservative society than most of you guys).
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It's not like religions collide with evolution theory. Creationism and evolutionism for example can complement each other - evolution does not explain how life emerged but Bible does.

Me, I'm a DEIST. And may the force be with you all [img]images/smilies/loveit.gif[/img]
You're wrong. They do collide. According to the evolution theory we are all animals, we once were monkeys. The bilble however, doesn't label us as animals, it tells us that God separated us from the animals, that humans are above the animals. He created Eve (human female) from Adams (human male) spine, not a monkeyspine. And if I'm not wrong, Adam was created by soil.

In my opinion, you can't believe in God if you believe in evolution, cause they do collide.
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In my opinion, you can't believe in God if you believe in evolution, cause they do collide.
I think this is rather ridiculous. One thing I may as well mention is that not all Christian religions even do contradict evolution. I know for a fact that the Catholic church endorses the Big Bang and evolution, and a Catholic priest was instrumental in proposing the Big Bang theory in the first place.
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BIBLE explains WHY? and BY WHOME? the world was created...

EVOLUTION explains HOW? and with what chemical actions the world was created.

and they don't collide...

Guys this knowledge is SO Junior class.

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I'll just close my thoughts, as i never thought i had to explain all the way something...i just felt of giving the first hinthes.

Anyway...

Most GODS(god) that exist in human mind are GOOD, they are created by human so as to feel safe in his little home. They are the "Faces" of kidness, the ones who created this world by love and for love. (don't tell me about satan, aris, salima...because they exist because the "good" god exists.
SO when someone doesn't believe in a god, or just say a supreme power that created this world we live in, then his mind doesn't believe that the "creations" around us where made for good, thus he is emptry.

A historical note : a human has this inner feeling of a supreme being...pholosofi is still meddling with this subject.

So truly there cannot be a human without beliefs, because he/she will totally not believe in the creation through (call it how you liked, i say it) love, he/she will never have the udge to create something, as he/she DON'T believe that something good can be created...and of course he/she just can't, it's a mind think. Thus way i said, and truly i don't understand some angriness, that truly atheists cannot be happening, only if that human had serious mind problems (even serious killers believe in something) or a lobotomi...(and even those people have a hince for something out there). A person "cannot" leave without believing in something. Believe in natur, believe in his father's love, believe in his brother being an angel...If you sit and talk with an"atheist" you will soon see that they do feel something about something...And that's what humans named god over the time...What do you think god is really? An old guy, or our inner selfs?

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because over the years I've got a HELL of a lot of shit from about everyone I know about my beliefs
isn't it obvious that this is one of the serious reason why you decided to be and stay an atheist. So as to be the different from the "animals" that are around you, those who believe in something without proofs like "idiots"

and i am SO out of the second subject...i said what i had to say...i cannot say anyhting more
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AAAARRRGHHH! What are you trying to say?

Atheists don't believe in God, right? But why the heck do you think that atheists don't believe in good and bad? Or in love or friendship?

I believe everything has a logical explaination, but that doesn't mean I don't want to love people or to be a good person.



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Oh, no. You can WANT it, you just can't BELIEVE in it. Obviously.





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You just ansered you self. Just think and you will found out...What does god truly is?

(note : do you think Scientists who only believe in logic are atheists? No they are not, they believe in their science and to something more )
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Oh, no. You can WANT it, you just can't BELIEVE in it. Obviously.
Heh, well I *believe* that people can be good and bad. And I *believe* I can fall in love. Is that fair enough?

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I believe God does not exist and is made up by people waaaay back when they couldn't explain things with logic. I believe the Devil and Hell are made up too, for the purpose of keeping people on the straight path. (Don't steal, kill etc.. or you will end up in hell!)

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They believe in other things, but they DO NOT believe in GOD. An atheist does NOT believe in GOD!!! You're saying an atheist does not believe in ANYTHING but that is WRONG! Atheists believe in other things too, but NOT IN GOD!!!!


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heh, I have now stopped reading pleto's posts, they make no sense to me.

On a side note about religion and scientists, I watched a documentary about a group of religious scientists who believed in God, but not necessarily the Bible which is man-made. They figure that the true "evidence" of his existance is the geniality with the making of the first cell, from which life has sprung. Thought that was a pretty cool thing!
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I was raised christian, and I still uphold some of their ways, yet I never really practice my belief in that way. All I know is that I do believe in a God, and I will continue to do so in my own way. I need neither church nor followers nor kindred minds in this.
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BIBLE explains WHY? and BY WHOME? the world was created...

EVOLUTION explains HOW? and with what chemical actions the world was created.

and they don't collide...

Guys this knowledge is SO Junior class. [img]images/smilies/puh2.gif[/img]
The Bible explains HOW our earth/life was created in seven days, by God. The evolution theory explains HOW our earth/live was created with a big bang. Don't tell me they don't collide. They do. If someone believe in both, they're either confused or haven't quite made up their mind yet what to believe.

But hey! We're all confused when it comes to this, including me. I don't blame anyone.

EDIT: And pleto4_ryan, don't you tell us what we discuss is "SO Junior class". It's not. No life theory is complete. They're all missing pieces. You should be discussing even the simple parts.

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They believe in other things, but they DO NOT believe in GOD. An atheist does NOT believe in GOD!!! You're saying an atheist does not believe in ANYTHING but that is WRONG! Atheists believe in other things too, but NOT IN GOD!!!!


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Nope, i am saying that there are no atheists because they believe in something and that God is not necesarry the old guy...
God created human and Human created god...Human created him with his mind. God means a heck more thinks than just a supreme being.
Example : Art is one of "god's" hands in earth. If you believe in art, you believe in beauty, thus you believe in god...
You don't even have to name him God, you can call him Urucao or Firima or Siro or anything.
God is just what we understand about ourselves and our inner self...
Heaven and Hell is earth...we make them all...
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The Bible explains HOW our earth/life was created in seven days, by God. The evolution theory explains HOW our earth/live was created with a big bang. Don't tell me they don't collide. They do. If someone believe in both, they're either confused or haven't quite made up their mind yet what to believe.

But hey! We're all confused when it comes to this, including me. I don't blame anyone.
You answered your self.

Do you believe all the galaxy was created in 7 days? And how do you think it got created, It just appeared of nowwhere. Or just "God" decided to make that Big-bang
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Do you believe all the galaxy was created in 7 days? And how do you think it got created, It just appeared of nowwhere. Or just "God" decided to make that Big-bang [img]images/smilies/wink.gif[/img]
I've never said the galaxy was created in seven days. And no, I don't believe in God, so I don't think he/she/it (or whatever you believers call this) did the big bang. You must be mixing my threads up with someone elses.

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Well gee, I don't really see God in art or something. I just believe in this bizarre sort of hereafter where this supreme being sits on a throne. Or maybe not, but I simply believe there IS something out there watching over us. I don't need explanation or people coming with scientific facts proving it's not so
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Nope, i am saying that there are no atheists because they believe in something
Your definition of an atheist is wrong. You think an atheist is someone who does not believe in anything, in nothing. You think wrong.

An atheist can believe in something, he just does not believe in God.

But I think you're not willing to listen so I'll stop explaining. Look at the dictionary if you want to know the right definition of an atheist.

The dictionary says an atheist is (and I quote) "one who disbelieves or denies the existance of a God or a supreme being".

The dictionary does NOT say that atheists believe in nothing, which is what you seem to think.

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