10-15-2004, 03:00 AM | #1 |
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I watched a documentary about Fox News the other day and I just want to ask you Americans if the TV news (and Fox News in particular) are as right-wing biased as it were made out to be. The phenomena in itself is nothing new, we have some rather left-wing biased programs here in Sweden. The thing is that Fox were made out to be much much worse than I thought to be possible.
How do you Americans find the news and news-shows on TV? Are Fox this bad?
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Fox are RENOWNED for being right-wing (Rupert Murdoch owns it after all). They recently ran an article making claims about something Kerry was supposed to have said, only for most other media outlets to slam them for publishing an obvious and outright lie.
Their editor's response ? "Earlier Friday, FOXNews.com posted an item purporting to contain quotations from Kerry. The item was based on a reporter’s partial script that had been written in jest and should not have been posted or broadcast. We regret the error, which occurred because of fatigue and bad judgment, not malice." Mmmm, good quality journalism going on there then....
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FOX is much worse than any other news organization in America (on the other hand, it's also the most popular). The media here does have a conservative bias, but most of the time it's not nearly as bad as FOX. Most other news organizations do a better job of at least pretending to be balanced.
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If it says anything, after debate #3, while every other network was calling the debate "fairly even" and trying to avoid any obvious bias, the talking heads at FOX News were gloating over Bush's "obvious victory." This, of course, despite the fact that the post-debate instant polls showed just the opposite. (CBS and CNN/USA Today/Gallup polls both giving Kerry a huge victory and the ABC poll calling it dead even. Interestingly, the ABC poll was 38% republicans and only 30% Democrats.)
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In the program I watched, they had some polls on the knowledge of people who viewed different news channels and _that_ poll showed that Fox viewers had much more skewed views of reality than others. If the poll is accurate is another question.
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What I've seen of the US media, especially during the hate-french phase (which may or may not still be in order), was really scary. You'd never see such a impressive amount of dumb patriotism, paranoia and misinformation here in France, and god (or whoever) knows that I hate our television.
I'm not sure whether what I've seen was mainly or totally taken from Fox, but I don't believe so.
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Of course, their TV programming is different. Somehow I don't think covering the debate with a special episode of Hannity & Quasimodo, er...I mean Holmes is quite as balanced as CNN's debate coverage. Quote:
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I guess you saw Outfoxed? I saw some clips of that. Anyway, yeah, it's pretty accurate, based on what FOX and Outfoxed I've seen. That show with O'Reilly is the worst offender by far (it's the one with the mike-cutting and whatnot). It's amazing how a news channel could ever be so biased. Even accepting the fact that they're biased, it's amazing they show it in such an overt way, and not sneak it in subtly so people don't notice.
Last night they did a rerun of that NBC documentary of Bush' 2000 campaign over here. As a documentary, it's completely worthless, but some of the quotes from the members of the press were pretty astonishing. I kept wanting to scream at the TV... Reporter guy: "This is not news. This is just pictures. I haven't seen any news here since [insert some year]". Me: "ARghh then what are you doing there?!" Other reporter guy: "We're so close to the Bush campaign and yet we know nothing of what the people want. We should be talking to people, and campaign managers, and get other sources. But who will speak to them? Who will get their voice?" Me: "YOU, YOU SON OF A BITCH. GET OFF THE DAMN PLANE RIGHT NOW." *inhales* ... It was completely baffling how aware those guys were of proper journalism and yet sacrificed so much to be on the campaign trail where the real news usually isn't. |
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On-topic: Heh if you've also seen Control Room, it's pretty funny to compare the two news networks. Al-Jazeera is so much better than Fox in any possible way, yet it's considered as muslim propaganda or whatever by alot of people, while Fox calls itself "Fair and Balanced" edit: Oh and O'Reilly is a creep, an utter creep. And this document on him is hilarious. Last edited by jjacob; 10-15-2004 at 08:02 AM. |
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Yes, Outfoxed it was.
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What I read in a newspaper some time ago was that Al Jazeera's news, as well as every other TV channel in the Middle East, tries to get people to sympathise with their own side - so actually the news broadcasts aren't that unbiased.
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Sanjuro, Kerry clearly won all debates, there's no doubt about it, and his remark about Cheney's lesbian daughter won't change anything about that. |
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Al-Jazeera is doing a great job. The US hates them for being too anti-American. Many countries in the Middle-East hate them for being too pro-American. Clearly they're doing something right.
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