REVIEW OF "DOOM 3" ON AN ADVENTURE DEDICATED WEBSITE!!!!

ADVENTURE-RAIDER · 09-10-2004, 06:42 AM

Yesterday "Just Adventure" posted a review of "DOOM 3". The title: "DOOM 3 - That's right we're reviewing DOOM 3! Get over it!"

Even worst a line from the review: "Yes - the game that started it all, or at least made teenagers lose interest in our beloved adventure genre in favor of straight-forward gunplay and all manner of advanced weaponry." How do you feel about that now?
Yes, I red the review and they are trying to avoid saying good things for the game and they also state that they are gonna try to do an "ADVENTURE-CENTRIC" review.

And ofcourse THE SUGGESTION: "Yet despite my problems with its repetitive nature and basic gunplay, I found Doom 3 had a lot to offer for an adventure player willing to dip their toes into an FPS"
Well let me put it this way: "NO, NO, NO, NO, NO I am not willing to dip my toes into an FPS, especially one that is reviewed by an Adventure-dedicated(see name) website!

That's my opinion, but then again maybe not only mine....

Ninth · 09-10-2004, 06:47 AM

As someone said in another thread: I hear thunder approaching in the distance....

Sirus · 09-10-2004, 06:53 AM

Omg Omg Omg!!! Liek How Culd Dhey!111

BacardiJim · 09-10-2004, 06:55 AM

The irony here being that you do choose to associate with a website where:

A game that has been described as an "action-adventure" in every single bit of press released from its creator and is described repeatedly as an "action-adventure" on its official website is the most hyped and anticipated "adventure game" of the decade. Closely followed by another action-adventure whose action elements are strong enough that Gamespot lists it as an "action" game.

Survival-horror and action-adventure games like Silent Hill and Fatal Frame are commonly discussed and refered to as "adventure games."

Virtually every member of the staff lists some action or hybrid game amongst their very favorites.

Discussions about the future of the genre invariably result in suggestions that adventure games should utilize the engine of this or that action game. (Which, by the way, was one of the primary points of the JA+ piece.)

Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

See the irony? I don't know if anyone here is in a situation to be throwing any stones... no matter how tempting the target.

***Jackal*** · 09-10-2004, 06:56 AM

Jut for the record, it's not "Just Adventure", it's Just Adventure + (PLUS). They've been reviewing non-adventure games for a long time, so this is just another addition to their plus.

The more unusual thing is that they chose Doom, rather than other far more story-centric shooters. Doom would be near the bottom of any list of shooters I'd suggest for adventurers looking to test the action waters.

BacardiJim · 09-10-2004, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackal

The more unusual thing is that they chose Doom, rather than other far more story-centric shooters. Doom would be near the bottom of any list of shooters I'd suggest for adventurers looking to test the action waters.

About THIS, I couldn't agree more with Jack. (Stranger things have happened.

) I, too, am puzzled by their choice of D3 for a "breakout" review.

ADVENTURE-RAIDER · 09-10-2004, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackal

Jut for the record, it's not "Just Adventure", it's Just Adventure + (PLUS). They've been reviewing non-adventure games for a long time, so this is just another addition to their plus.

The more unusual thing is that they chose Doom, rather than other far more story-centric shooters. Doom would be near the bottom of any list of shooters I'd suggest for adventurers looking to test the action waters.

So that the little cross-like symbol they have next to their title in their homepage is a "PLUS"?!?!

I never until now noticed that to tell you the truth. I don't know, but still, I don't like that.

Intrepid Homoludens · 09-10-2004, 07:14 AM

As I understand it, the '+' in Just Adventure + simply means that you can find adventure elements in other categorically non-adventure games. That is, things like exploration and story, or that the story is the driving force or motivation for the player to move through the game.

However, in the case of Doom 3, that's really quite a stretch, IMO. Granted, the game does have a story, but ask anyone who's played it if that's what really drove them forward in their experience, and they'll most likely say, "Story? WTF, are you on crack or something?"

BacardiJim · 09-10-2004, 07:18 AM

LOL Right said, Trep!

Wormsie · 09-10-2004, 07:25 AM

I love these discussions.

Intrepid Homoludens · 09-10-2004, 07:54 AM

LOL! I'm just about howling now.

***Marek*** · 09-10-2004, 08:17 AM

BacardiJim · 09-10-2004, 08:42 AM

Errrr... before my earlier post gets misinterpreted and I get jumped on for it, let me explain that I was not criticizing the policies or opinions or practices or tastes of Adventure Gamers or its staff.

Rather, I was merely pointing out the irony of a member of the adventure game site which offers the most active support of action-adventures and action elements in adventure games (at least among the major AG sites) using this forum to castigate another AG site for choosing to publish a review of an action (actually FPS) game.

I meant no insult to anyone involved.

***fov*** · 09-10-2004, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BacardiJim

Rather, I was merely pointing out the irony of a member of the adventure game site which offers the most active support of action-adventures and action elements in adventure games (at least among the major AG sites) using this forum to castigate another AG site for choosing to publish a review of an action (actually FPS) game.

Yes, but you'd never see a review of Doom 3 on AG.

Really, I'd be surprised to find a FPS review on ANY adventure gaming site. But of all the ag sites that I know of, JA is the one that surprises me least, because of that + in their name.

-emily

ps It should also be remembered that individual posts on this forum do not necessarily represent the views of AG.

*Jake* · 09-10-2004, 09:15 AM

Scandalous!!!

In other news, have you guys played Beyond Good and Evil? A classic.

Actually, did JA+ ever review BG&E? Seems more up their alley than Doom.

BacardiJim · 09-10-2004, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fov

Yes, but you'd never see a review of Doom 3 on AG.

Really, I'd be surprised to find a FPS review on ANY adventure gaming site. But of all the ag sites that I know of, JA is the one that surprises me least, because of that + in their name.

All true. Frankly, I'm a bit stunned by the whole thing too. But if you think it caused a bit of heat here, you should see the brouhaha that broke out over there about it.

remixor · 09-10-2004, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BacardiJim

Virtually every member of the staff lists some action or hybrid game amongst their very favorites.

I know you like to bring this up a lot, and I don't want to start an argument, nor am I trying to be critical or incendiary, but I really don't think it's relevant. Listing a game as one of one's personal favorites has nothing to do with the site itself. Could you honestly imagine (for example) someone who writes for a mystery novel review magazine not actually appreciating a fine work of another genre? There is of course no reason they'd have to like anything other than mysteries, but appreciation of other genres does not diminish their love of one.

Intrepid Homoludens · 09-10-2004, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by remixor

....appreciation of other genres does not diminish their love of one.

Tell me about it! I've gotten pelted with proverbial stones for it!

BacardiJim · 09-10-2004, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by remixor

I know you like to bring this up a lot, and I don't want to start an argument, nor am I trying to be critical or incendiary, but I really don't think it's relevant. Listing a game as one of one's personal favorites has nothing to do with the site itself. Could you honestly imagine (for example) someone who writes for a mystery novel review magazine not actually appreciating a fine work of another genre? There is of course no reason they'd have to like anything other than mysteries, but appreciation of other genres does not diminish their love of one.

This is exactly what I was trying to avoid when I posted my later comment:

Quote:

Originally Posted by BacardiJim

Errrr... before my earlier post gets misinterpreted and I get jumped on for it, let me explain that I was not criticizing the policies or opinions or practices or tastes of Adventure Gamers or its staff.

Rather, I was merely pointing out the irony of a member of the adventure game site which offers the most active support of action-adventures and action elements in adventure games (at least among the major AG sites) using this forum to castigate another AG site for choosing to publish a review of an action (actually FPS) game.

I meant no insult to anyone involved.

Perhaps you missed it?

Wormsie · 09-10-2004, 10:00 AM

EDIT: This is interesting. The correct sign for a zzz emoticon would be a : + a capital Z, but because the forum doesn't allow all caps, it changed them to a small z.

EDIT2: But now that I added this text, it works.

09-10-2004, 06:42 AM	#1
ADVENTURE-RAIDER Adventure Collector Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: CYPRUS Posts: 226	REVIEW OF "DOOM 3" ON AN ADVENTURE DEDICATED WEBSITE!!!! Yesterday "Just Adventure" posted a review of "DOOM 3". The title: "DOOM 3 - That's right we're reviewing DOOM 3! Get over it!" Even worst a line from the review: "Yes - the game that started it all, or at least made teenagers lose interest in our beloved adventure genre in favor of straight-forward gunplay and all manner of advanced weaponry." How do you feel about that now? Yes, I red the review and they are trying to avoid saying good things for the game and they also state that they are gonna try to do an "ADVENTURE-CENTRIC" review. And ofcourse THE SUGGESTION: "Yet despite my problems with its repetitive nature and basic gunplay, I found Doom 3 had a lot to offer for an adventure player willing to dip their toes into an FPS" Well let me put it this way: "NO, NO, NO, NO, NO I am not willing to dip my toes into an FPS, especially one that is reviewed by an Adventure-dedicated(see name) website! That's my opinion, but then again maybe not only mine.... Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ *I still haven't found what I'm looking for!* -- U2

09-10-2004, 06:47 AM	#2
Ninth Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Paris, France Posts: 6,409	As someone said in another thread: I hear thunder approaching in the distance.... Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ ...It's down there somewhere. Let me have another look.

09-10-2004, 06:53 AM	#3
Sirus Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Texas, US Posts: 227	Omg Omg Omg!!! Liek How Culd Dhey!111 Share Share this post on Twitter

09-10-2004, 06:55 AM	#4
BacardiJim Banned User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,346	The irony here being that you do choose to associate with a website where: A game that has been described as an "action-adventure" in every single bit of press released from its creator and is described repeatedly as an "action-adventure" on its official website is the most hyped and anticipated "adventure game" of the decade. Closely followed by another action-adventure whose action elements are strong enough that Gamespot lists it as an "action" game. Survival-horror and action-adventure games like Silent Hill and Fatal Frame are commonly discussed and refered to as "adventure games." Virtually every member of the staff lists some action or hybrid game amongst their very favorites. Discussions about the future of the genre invariably result in suggestions that adventure games should utilize the engine of this or that action game. (Which, by the way, was one of the primary points of the JA+ piece.) Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. See the irony? I don't know if anyone here is in a situation to be throwing any stones... no matter how tempting the target. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Time flies like the wind; Fruit flies like bananas. Last edited by BacardiJim; 09-10-2004 at 07:12 AM.

09-10-2004, 06:56 AM	#5
*Jackal* Hopeful skeptic Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 7,743	Jut for the record, it's not "Just Adventure", it's Just Adventure + (PLUS). They've been reviewing non-adventure games for a long time, so this is just another addition to their plus. The more unusual thing is that they chose Doom, rather than other far more story-centric shooters. Doom would be near the bottom of any list of shooters I'd suggest for adventurers looking to test the action waters. Share Share this post on Twitter

09-10-2004, 07:14 AM	#8
Intrepid Homoludens merely human Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 22,309	As I understand it, the '+' in Just Adventure + simply means that you can find adventure elements in other categorically non-adventure games. That is, things like exploration and story, or that the story is the driving force or motivation for the player to move through the game. However, in the case of Doom 3, that's really quite a stretch, IMO. Granted, the game does have a story, but ask anyone who's played it if that's what really drove them forward in their experience, and they'll most likely say, "Story? WTF, are you on crack or something?" Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ platform: laptop, iPhone 3Gs \| gaming: x360, PS3, psp, iPhone, wii \| blog: a space alien \| book: the moral landscape: how science can determine human values by sam harris \| games: l.a.noire, portal 2, brink, dragon age 2, heavy rain \| sites: NPR, skeptoid, gaygamer \| music: ray lamontagne, adele, washed out, james blake \| twitter: a_space_alien

09-10-2004, 07:18 AM	#9
BacardiJim Banned User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,346	LOL Right said, Trep! Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Time flies like the wind; Fruit flies like bananas.

09-10-2004, 07:25 AM	#10
Wormsie Doctor Watson Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Catacombs Posts: 4,736	I love these discussions. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Don't worry, I'm a doctor.

09-10-2004, 07:54 AM	#11
Intrepid Homoludens merely human Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 22,309	LOL! I'm just about howling now. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ platform: laptop, iPhone 3Gs \| gaming: x360, PS3, psp, iPhone, wii \| blog: a space alien \| book: the moral landscape: how science can determine human values by sam harris \| games: l.a.noire, portal 2, brink, dragon age 2, heavy rain \| sites: NPR, skeptoid, gaygamer \| music: ray lamontagne, adele, washed out, james blake \| twitter: a_space_alien

09-10-2004, 08:17 AM	#12
*Marek* Puts the 'e' in Mark Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 3,138	Share Share this post on Twitter

09-10-2004, 08:42 AM	#13
BacardiJim Banned User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,346	Errrr... before my earlier post gets misinterpreted and I get jumped on for it, let me explain that I was not criticizing the policies or opinions or practices or tastes of Adventure Gamers or its staff. Rather, I was merely pointing out the irony of a member of the adventure game site which offers the most active support of action-adventures and action elements in adventure games (at least among the major AG sites) using this forum to castigate another AG site for choosing to publish a review of an action (actually FPS) game. I meant no insult to anyone involved. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Time flies like the wind; Fruit flies like bananas.

09-10-2004, 09:15 AM	#15
Jake The Dartmaster Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: San Rafael, California Posts: 3,084	Scandalous!!! In other news, have you guys played Beyond Good and Evil? A classic. Actually, did JA+ ever review BG&E? Seems more up their alley than Doom. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ When on the Internet, visit Idle Thumbs \| Mixnmojo \| Sam & Max.net \| Telltale Games "I was one of the original lovers." - Evan Dickens

09-10-2004, 10:00 AM	#20
Wormsie Doctor Watson Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Catacombs Posts: 4,736	EDIT: This is interesting. The correct sign for a zzz emoticon would be a : + a capital Z, but because the forum doesn't allow all caps, it changed them to a small z. EDIT2: But now that I added this text, it works. Share Share this post on Twitter __________________ Don't worry, I'm a doctor.

User Name		Remember Me?
Password