08-26-2004, 04:31 AM | #1 | |
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Danny Glover arrested...
He was arrested after a protest outside the sudanese embassy. Not that Interesting in it's self, I know. However I was interested to read what he was charged with:
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Can any americans just tell me, what is an "Unlawful Assembly"? I got a bigbrother vibe from that statement and was wondering whether I misunderstood. Do you have to get permission in the US for a certain number of people to gather to protest, or is it just outside an embassy/certain buildings?
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08-26-2004, 05:13 AM | #2 | |
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And as far as stars protesting go, I really don't have a problem with it. If they're asked to speak, fine, go ahead. Sure, they may think that people will listen to them more because they're famous, but unfortunately, they're right. What pisses me off is stars protesting for PR purposes, not because of their own beliefs, and when they have no ****ing idea what they're talking about. This doesn't seem to be the case with Danny Glover. The Sudan protests, despite being against the "biggest humanitarian crisis in the world today," have gotten relatively little press compared to the everyday anti-war protests. For a celebrity to get behind it shows that he really cares about it.
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08-26-2004, 11:05 AM | #3 | |
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Actually, Unlawful Assembly is a criminal act defined by law (whether or not it is BIG brother is another thing altogether). Law describes it as: A disturbance of the public peace by three or more persons who meet together with an intent mutually to assist each other in the execution of some unlawful enterprise of a private nature, with force and violence; if they move forward towards its execution, it is then a rout (q.v.) and if they actually execute their design, it amounts to a riot. This basically appeals to the Clear and Present Danger clause as well. If a public disturbance has the "vibe" of turning violent or stirs of violent speech, emotional reactions, etc. then the gathering can be deemed Unlawful Assembly under the Clear and Present Danger clause. This may also mean that there is proof that those "assembling" were in the middle of planning some kind of illegal act, such as property damage, etc. Maybe this makes sense. But, hey, it's U.S. criminal law. It doesn't need to make sense, right? Kirk |
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08-29-2004, 06:16 AM | #4 |
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Thanks for type informative replies. I must admit I happen to find both somewhat disturbing, though obviously we don't know the details of the incident.
I know the first amendment guarentees freedom of speech and peaceful assembly, and the law you quoted Kirk doesn't seem to contradict it. So it must come down to exactly what happened there. I have though, to say I am getting concerned about the way the united states is seemingly going, with the idea that to preserve freedom you have to restrict it (even if thats not whats necessairily going on in this case).
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Hmmm, we also have a similar law here.
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08-30-2004, 12:41 PM | #7 | |
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And if another attack or two kills ten thousand, perhaps the boundries weren't pushed far enough. It's hard to say where the line is to be drawn.
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"What we have to fight for is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the creator" or "Those who want to live, let them fight, and those who do not want to fight in this world of eternal struggle do not deserve to live." It's pretty similar stuff, and coming from the guy who said stuff like: "The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew"
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"There could be no issue between the Church and the State. The Church, as such, has nothing to do with political affairs. On the other hand, the State has nothing to do with the faith or inner organization of the Church" --Adolf Hitler The fact of the matter is that if I didn't bother to say who I was quoting in my original post, you probably wouldn't have commented at all. Considering such, how can the addendum of a name to the words change their meaning? How have the words changed? They haven't. Anyway, how about that Danny Glover guy??? |
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Got me there Bastich, the victory is yours to take!
BTW I heard Danny got arrested.
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