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Now that I've stated this, you will already know how I feel. I greatly value not knowing what happens in my entertainment before it happens. Of course you can enjoy a movie in a different way if you already know what happens, but it is an ALTERNATIVE way. Spoiling it robs me of one of the ways, whereas in the case of good movies or books I look forward to enjoying it in both ways. Spoiling should never be done haphazardly just because you cling to the notion that it doesn't hurt your enjoyment. Other people think otherwise, and it is common decency to respect their feelings towards it and be cautious when handling such delicate matters.
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07-24-2007, 09:55 AM | #42 |
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What? You mean spoilers don't expire after 73 years?
Anyway, I've put spoiler tags in my post, so you might want to remove my quote from your post. Or my post from your quote. Whatever. Unquote me.
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07-24-2007, 10:41 AM | #43 |
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No. The damage is done
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07-24-2007, 11:05 AM | #44 |
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Unquote me, cad! Or I'll spoil another book for you!
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07-24-2007, 11:11 AM | #45 |
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Everyone dies at the end!
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07-24-2007, 11:18 AM | #46 |
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Squinky, stop spoiling life for everyone!
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07-24-2007, 11:24 AM | #47 |
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And the buff goon gets the blonde moron at the end.
Wait, that's not life.
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07-24-2007, 01:31 PM | #48 |
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Maybe another question is what constitutes a spoiler? For example I've just finished reading "Evli Star" by Anthony Horowitz this morning (yes, I have had a bit of a run of his works. I'm catching up on my monthly magazines and then switching to someone else now ) I had a thought about the ending that conveys absolutely no direct plot information but I'm putting in spoiler tags anyway.
Spoiler:That conveys actually no information about the content of the book itself (heck, it doesn't even tell you what sort of book it is, which would be a factor in whether people choose to read it or not) Nevertheless, the fact that I would have that particular thought about the ending could well skew other's perceptions when reading the book because they'll find themselves waiting for the part that gave rise to that thought. So is that a spoiler or not? (Limited to people who've either read the book or are willing to take their chances with a statement that I guarantee has no direct plot information in it)
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Us really pathetic, pedantic people have already given such a thing an official name: the secondary spoiler.
This can take many forms. For instance the one you mentioned, Spoiler:But it can also be telling someone 'wait till you see what happens to Bubba halfway through the movie'. It's not an actual spoiler, but you are indeed chipping away at it. A surprise is that much less surprising if you know it's coming, even if you don't know what it'll be. Of course, the secondary spoiler is not as unforgivable as a primary one. It also falls more under the category of the rowdy relative that gets too enthusiastic about the movie and is oblivious to any and all tact.
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This is the reason I put the sentence in spoiler tags (I hope you'll forgive me taking the liberty of doing the same for your reference to it in your post)
Like you say when you suggest something is going to happen, no matter how vague you are about what the "something" is, it sets people up waiting for that something which takes their mind off just enjoying the story.
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07-24-2007, 02:16 PM | #51 |
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Exactly. Now how anal I get precisely depends on the movie of course. Really, I'm quite lenient. As long as it isn't something I've been looking out for, the occasional spoiler, though undesired, won't throw me into a hissy fit. For instance, if someone were to tell me what the ending to the new Fantastic Four movie were, I'd be shrugging my shoulders. It's not The Matrix, you know?
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07-24-2007, 02:23 PM | #52 |
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Y'know, comic writers are often guilty of spoiling their own stories, on a tiny scale. How often have you read a comic strip where you notice the last panel first, ruining the joke? 'Cause it happens to me all the time. The trouble is panels that stand out too much from the rest of the page, either because of coloring or content or most importantly panel placement. Sometimes I'll come across a huge plot twist in a comic book coming at the end of a page in a big, flashy panel. It ruins the momentum of the story because your eye is drawn to that big panel first, with its shocking content, and only then do you go back to the earlier panels which set it up and explain what it's doing there. (Those earlier panels then have lost the emotional value they were meant to have.) In order to avoid such problems, big reveals should either be only after a page turn, or drawn to blend with the rest of the page.
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07-24-2007, 02:28 PM | #53 |
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There's this impatient kid I know who doesn't seem to understand the concept of a linear story. It drives me crazy. Any time he's in the middle of playing a game I lent him, he asks me endless questions about how it ends. When I refuse to spoil the experience, he insists I'm "mean". He also would like me to give away the solutions to easy puzzles, though I refuse that as well. Now he's reading the Harry Potter books... sort of. He's never read the first four- he's alternating between reading the fifth and the seventh! What butchery.
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I guess people are different that way. I like to know as little as possible about a story (book, game, movie...) before experiencing it. The ideal review before* reading would simply be "read this". The problem is that such a review would only be effective if it was given by someone I trust, and it was given for me personally. People are too different. But any other review does contain some spoilers.
I don't mind-re-experiencing a story, though, but it's a different thing. I think this is also related to the fact that I find multiple endings/paths less interesting than most people. (Or at least most reviewers/vocal people.) * The ideal review of something I already have played/watched/read would be quite detailed. It'd offer opinions for me to compare against my own, and it'd share insights in the art it's reviewing. Why is this thing good? Why is that thing less effective?
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There was a story in the newspaper today, about a teacher, who, on the last day of term, read out the final page of the ultimate Harry Potter book, to the children during assembly.
I think that takes mean-spiritedness to a whole new level.
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Regarding the big secret in the Crying game:
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what a bastard!
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Think that's bad? What about spoiling the end on a breakfast television show!
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08-29-2007, 09:27 AM | #60 |
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Oh wow! And it's on sale, too! Thank you for that.
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