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Old 10-26-2006, 10:08 AM   #61
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Annual emission rates, Mount St. Helens 1980-1988
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kilotons (metric)
1980 222
1981 105
1982 45
1983 39
1984 26
1985 13
1986 17
1987 3.5
1988 2.5
An estimated 1.5 million metric tons of sulfur dioxide gas was discharged by Mount St. Helens during the explosive eruption of 18 May 1980. Thus, approximately 2 million metric tons of sulfur dioxide was released during the whole eruption sequence.

The terrible part of this is there are volcanic sights called Calderas that are several Kilometers wide and when they go off they hurl everything straight up. Like at Yellowstone
How Foolish us Mortals be to think we are any match to the power of Gaea
it's crazy.
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Climate changes constantly if humans are here or not. I have been reading for the past few hours both pro and con and I'm beginning to think all of it is junk science on both sides. Now if you are argueing about pollution and overconsuming you have a valid point, but all this human causeing global warming is theory, and theory is an opinion.
You have to sort amongst all the junk to get to the facts, rlpw. I admire you for spending the time to look at all sides though. I've got no problems with people disagreeing with my opinion, or the opinions of many top Scientists. I believe at the last estimate, although don't quote me on this, over 90% of the Worlds top Scientists, including top Scientists at NASA, agree that Global Warming is a current fact and human activity part of the cause. Even the G8 agree on it being fact.

The fact that there are those who tend to believe that Global Warming is a huge Liberal, tree-hugging illusion with hidden agendas is actually good because it makes the Scientists look even deeper at the facts and come up with the results that can help benefit us all and future generations (I'm neither liberal or a tree-hugger btw, tried it once and it's nothing to bark about).

Imagine if, when Pythagoras had claimed the Earth was a sphere 26 centuries ago, nobody had questioned his theories - future Scientists may never have looked with more depth into it. Even with the wealth of information available today, flat earth societies still exist believe it or not, regardless of all the evidence to the contrary compiled over those 26 centuries. Scientists have always been given a hard time by politicians and religious leaders to prove their theories - and so they should be. And one Scientist will always need the agreement of the vast majority of fellow Scientists on his theory before his theory can be taken as plausible. Scientists have to battle Politicians, Religious leaders, Corporations (all 3 of which have questionable agendas, little experience in the field and the potential to influence mass thought), as well as their fellows, to get their evidence eventually accepted. I'd rather believe the vast majority of Scientists any day than the other 3 groups. Science Fiction has the ability to decieve and nobody will care, Science Fact has to be able to stand the test of time by being proven or being discredited and forgotten. No Scientists wants to be discredited. Some Scientists, unfortunately, don't want to be forgotten and will go to any deceptive lengths to try to be famous, but always get found out eventually.

This isn't about scare-mongering. Flyboy started this thread I believe with the intention of giving us all something to think about - something that if the Science fully backs it up, which much of it does, could have major negative effects on our children and grandchildren. I'm aware of it, I've read many of the facts and tried to sort out the junk from what appears valid - but I don't think about it enough. I'm sure many of us don't. As individuals we can't make the world a better place for all life and the planet. Maybe as a group we can't because nobody can say what the future holds (unless you believe Nostradamus). But better to try and fail than not to try at all.

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(I'm neither liberal or a tree-hugger btw, tried it once and it's nothing to bark about).
Pun intended?
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I remember a day when my mom was scared shitless after she saw a show on TV about the whole Ozone hole story years ago. "I would never give birth to a child in a World like this anymore," she used to say. Yet, it seemed she quickly forgot about all of that and just lived on like usual.
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The point I want to get across is that no one will change much of anything, until they are, or at least feel forced to do so. Hey, I'm certainly not counting myself out here! Absolutely. Not. I'm just like everybody else! The thing is, the whole issue is still something that can be seen on TV, late at night, sometimes in the news, talk shows - it's vague, it's far away, it doesn't have an impact on anyone, heck if I didn't watch TV, I wouldn't even know it existed at all.
This sums that up really well: Nation's Experts Give Up
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What about Hurricane Katrina?
The reason new orleans was wiped off the map was that it didn't belong on it in the first place. You don't normally see black dots in the light blue regions.

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Last year there was an unprecedented number of natural disasters which have been linked by a number of scientists to climate change.
How do you count natural disasters? I'm guessing you meant worst disasters in terms of casualties, in which case, AFAIK, atmosphere based disasters genrally do not compare to earthquakes/tsunamis, I don't think you're going to claim that those are a result of global warming, are you?

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Government also plays a role in it. When they started giving tax breaks for hybrid cars and allowing hybrid owners to drive in the carpool lane, the number of hybrid cars starting increasing (especially with the gas price increase). But now the government is removing the tax break, and in California, Arnold is revoking the law that allows hybrid owners to drive in the carpool lane.
Whoa, slow down, first the US gov't needs to stop giving tax breaks to people people who buy hummers and the like, not throwing nuclear waste at other countries would be good too, then they can start thinking about doing a net good environmentally.

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Fact #3: America has more oil reserves than any other country. The Alaskan Oil Reserve and Gulf of Mexico Oil Reserve are as large as all the Middle Eastern Oil Deposits.
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2: Never trust scientists unless they can completely PROVE there work.
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So ... what you're saying is ... that subterran geologists aren't really scientists ... right?

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Cars for the rich only, now there's an idea. There would be all sorts of ways of doing that, gas taxes, huge insurance requirements for endangering motorcycle drivers, free public transit, tax breaks for motorcycles and bikes, etc.
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At the very least, we should be taking environmantal protection steps that have significant general side benefits. Like doing something about throwaway electronics, making better insulated houses, avoiding TVs that run so hot they need loud fans, doing something about power hungry devices that would be counteracting air conditioners, and of course, more fuel efficient vehicles. If people refuse to do that, they're not just careless and lazy, they're also stupid.

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Global warming is just laughable, imo. This planet (and every planet) has been either warming or cooling from inception. Cyclical change is what shapes the environment. The environment then adapts and new and wonderful species are born, and some go extinct. Humans need to get over it. They are a cycle of time.



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Hey, I think I've been censored! I could be wrong, but I seem to remember calling this thread "That's it, we've gone and fucked it ..." not "screwed it up." There's swearing all over these forums, why change this?

Then again, I might be making this up. My memory is far from perfect.
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Global warming is just laughable, imo. This planet (and every planet) has been either warming or cooling from inception. Cyclical change is what shapes the environment. The environment then adapts and new and wonderful species are born, and some go extinct. Humans need to get over it. They are a cycle of time.
You clearly haven't actually read through this thread, have you?
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There's swearing all over these forums
Hardly. Regardless, there is a difference between occasional rude word to emphasize your point or emotional state, and putting one in the title of the thread.
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Hardly. Regardless, there is a difference between occasional rude word to emphasize your point or emotional state, and putting one in the title of the thread.
What about "post all your youtube shit here"??

I apologize if I upset people by swearing, but I try to write the way I speak and I tend to be around people who couldn't care less. In fact I've never really known anyone who is offended by the occasional "rude word", unless of course it's directed at them (which is another story altogether). Depending on the context, "fuck" and "shit" can be two words just like any other.
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I'd love to see Erwin assembling flat-pack furniture.

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What about "post all your youtube shit here"??
Fanboy > fuck > bitch/faggot > asshole/crackhead/horseshit > shit/goddamn > damn/bastard. At least that's how I understand swearing unacceptedness roughly ranks.

Looking back at that, I wonder why the hell I beeped out fsck.

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The reason new orleans was wiped off the map was that it didn't belong on it in the first place. You don't normally see black dots in the light blue regions.
People have always lived near water (transportation, resources e.g.). If you look at what was the least affected part of New Orleans, it was the French Quarter which is the original New Orleans. It was built on the highest point for a good reason. But cities expand and do so into more vulnerable areas.

The Sacramento delta region is at a very high risk of the same thing. Many old levees in danger of breaking and the all of the new building in the area near levees means a lot of people at risk should a levee break happen.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11427817/

Levee breaks have happened already:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NGP3EFPAJ1.DTL

In response to rlpw's statement that scientists need to completely prove their work - yes they do but it's a constant process. As you hypothesize, set up experiments to prove or disprove said hypothesis, more questions typically get raised and new information is always learned. If you wait for that definitive paper and definitive proof, nothing will ever happen. You have to act with the information you have. There's the chance that things may change. But I think it's important to look at the information that is out there now and work with that.
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People have always lived near water (transportation, resources e.g.).
There's a difference between choosing a site near water for settlement and choosing a site underwater. Choosing one that's also in the path of hurricanes makes the situation even worse.

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The Sacramento delta region is at a very high risk of the same thing. Many old levees in danger of breaking and the all of the new building in the area near levees means a lot of people at risk should a levee break happen.
So there's one other place that's in a situation sort of as bad as new orleans, so what? Even if it repeats itself, it's not a natural disaster in the first place, it's an engineering disaster.
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Even if it repeats itself, it's not a natural disaster in the first place, it's an engineering disaster.
Wouldn't it be both?
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