[Tamara]

Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.85

is my result.
I'm sure I've done this test before, but don't remember the previous results.

[Ninth]

Originally Posted by Ninja Dodo

Wasn't Howerd Dean against the war in Iraq and for supporting the environment? .... sounds pretty left-wing to me.


I was just reading some of Bush' state of the union and I can't even begin to describe how deeply disgusting it is. If I wasn't in such a generally good mood today I'd feel physically ill.

I've got no problem with what Bush says! Of course, that's mainly because I just can't believe my eyes when I read it.

[Tamara]

Check this out .. some very, very shocking stuff there.

A small taste:
Which politician travelled to Indonesia and received a $10 million donation from dictator Suharto to help party funds, while avoiding criticism of Indonesia's repressive policies, including political imprisonment ?

• Margaret Thatcher
• Fidel Castro
• Nelson Mandela
• Tony Blair

Spoiler:

Nelson Mandela, in October 1990, six months after his own release from prison

[Ninth]

Originally Posted by Ninja Dodo

Also... fun fact: both Che Guevara and Abu Amar are already taken as NY times usernames. I went for guevara_amar. Hm, I wonder if they have people registered with names like bin laden, saddam, or oswald or something. The FBI would have a field day with that, no doubt.

Abu Amar is Arafat, by the way...

Can you tell I'm left-wing?

Is Arafat left-wing? I'd say he's as right-wing as Sharon is, only on the other side...
Che Guevara, now that's another story.

[Ninth]

Originally Posted by Tamara

Check this out .. some very, very shocking stuff there.

A small taste:
Which politician travelled to Indonesia and received a $10 million donation from dictator Suharto to help party funds, while avoiding criticism of Indonesia's repressive policies, including political imprisonment ?

• Margaret Thatcher
• Fidel Castro
• Nelson Mandela
• Tony Blair

Spoiler:

Nelson Mandela, in October 1990, six months after his own release from prison

Good old world, never letting us down on the irony side...

[Ninth]

Originally Posted by Tamara

Check this out .. some very, very shocking stuff there.

Who expressed humanitarian abhorrence of the death penalty, declaring that to kill a man in a paroxysm of passion is understandable, but to have him killed by someone else after calm and serious meditation and on the pretext of duty honourably discharged is incomprehensible ?
Ivan the Terrible
The Marquis deSade
Rasputin
Benito Mussolini

Spoiler:

The Marquis deSade

Wow! I love that...

All in all, this page hasn't shocked me much, probably because I have very few illusions. The parts about Gandhi were disturbing, though.

[DomStLeger]

Originally Posted by Tamara

A small taste:
Which politician travelled to Indonesia and received a $10 million donation from dictator Suharto to help party funds, while avoiding criticism of Indonesia's repressive policies, including political imprisonment ?

• Margaret Thatcher
• Fidel Castro
• Nelson Mandela
• Tony Blair

Spoiler:

Nelson Mandela, in October 1990, six months after his own release from prison

I bet most people go for Thatcher. As for nelson mandela, once you start digging you'd be suprised.

[Zygomaticus]

1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%) Click here for info
2. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (60%) Click here for info
3. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (58%) Click here for info
4. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (57%) Click here for info
5. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (52%) Click here for info
6. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (51%) Click here for info
7. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat (42%) Click here for info
8. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (41%) Click here for info
9. Bush, President George W. - Republican (41%) Click here for info
10. Phillips, Howard - Constitution (17%) Click here for info
11. Libertarian Candidate (11%) Click here for info

Many of the things I have yet to form an opinion on (such as cloning, etc.) so I guess this is just a preliminary thing for me...

[Tamara]

Originally Posted by Ninth

Who expressed humanitarian abhorrence of the death penalty, declaring that to kill a man in a paroxysm of passion is understandable, but to have him killed by someone else after calm and serious meditation and on the pretext of duty honourably discharged is incomprehensible ?
Ivan the Terrible
The Marquis deSade
Rasputin
Benito Mussolini

Spoiler:

The Marquis deSade

Wow! I love that...

All in all, this page hasn't shocked me much, probably because I have very few illusions. The parts about Gandhi were disturbing, though.

Hah, I woulda posted that one, except it would've been *way* too obvious. It's my favourite, though (and I guessed, of course. It fits). And yeah, mainly it was the Gandhi ones that shocked me.

PS Dom, there was a reason I used spoilers ...

[Erkki]

Originally Posted by BacardiJim

This process is much vaguer than the Electoral College vote because 1) not all states have primaries, thus allowing the party convention electors of those states to work out "deals" to vote any way they want, and 2) some states actually require their convention votes to be split up between different candidates in proportion to how each of them did in that state's primary. Unless there is a candidate with a clear majority of primary wins going into the National Convention, there is a lot of wheeling and dealing that goes on between the Party honchos of different states in order to select the Presidential candidate and his running mate.

Ugh... I didn't get this part very well, but nevermind. Your voting system is too clever for some brains

[Zygomaticus]

The things about Gandhi. Allow me to tell you what I know.

His comment about Hitler. I don't know if it's true (probably is) but Gandhi was wise in choosing his allies. Even though some Indians (Subash Chandra Bose, for example) decided to ally themselves to Hitler in hopes of defeating Britain and then gaining Indian freedom, Gandhi chose Britain. A wise choice, if you ask me. Turned out well for India, atleast.

As for the first one.
Gandhi's job was a difficult one, although self-appointed. Mahatma Gandhi may have been a bad father to his children but he was the father of so much more.

The quote about Jews; as you know, Gandhi was an advocate of living free. Even though he didn't say this, I believe his ideals can closely represent the quotation: Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
There was once an instance in India when women, many of them, were stripped of their clothing by British officers because the women were burning British textiles (?). All the women, humiliated, and desiring not to live anymore, did just that - jumped off a cliff.
I'm not surprised to hear that Gandhi said such a thing.

[Ninth]

Originally Posted by Kode

The things about Gandhi. Allow me to tell you what I know.

His comment about Hitler. I don't know if it's true (probably is) but Gandhi was wise in choosing his allies. Even though some Indians (Subash Chandra Bose, for example) decided to ally themselves to Hitler in hopes of defeating Britain and then gaining Indian freedom, Gandhi chose Britain. A wise choice, if you ask me. Turned out well for India, atleast.

As for the first one.
Gandhi's job was a difficult one, although self-appointed. Mahatma Gandhi may have been a bad father to his children but he was the father of so much more.

The quote about Jews; as you know, Gandhi was an advocate of living free. Even though he didn't say this, I believe his ideals can closely represent the quotation: Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
There was once an instance in India when women, many of them, were stripped of their clothing by British officers because the women were burning British textiles (?). All the women, humiliated, and desiring not to live anymore, did just that - jumped off a cliff.
I'm not surprised to hear that Gandhi said such a thing.

Hmm, I'd like to see the jew's quotation in it's context. As for the Hitler's remark, it sure goes to show that he was a poor judge of character. Or that he made judgments without being informed enough, which, for a man of his stature, is rather sad.

[Zygomaticus]

Originally Posted by Ninth

Hmm, I'd like to see the jew's quotation in it's context. As for the Hitler's remark, it sure goes to show that he was a poor judge of character. Or that he made judgments without being informed enough, which, for a man of his stature, is rather sad.

What do you mean "poor judge of character"? He made his choice! He chose, and convinced his associates to choose an alliance with Britain over Germany.

Either way, he wasn't much of a people person. More of a country person.

[Ninth]

Originally Posted by Tamara

Hah, I woulda posted that one, except it would've been *way* too obvious. It's my favourite, though (and I guessed, of course. It fits).

And here I am trying to picture the world (read: the US) ruled my the Marquis de Sade...

[Ninth]

Originally Posted by Kode

What do you mean "poor judge of character"? He made his choice! He chose, and convinced his associates to choose an alliance with Britain over Germany.

So what? Making good strategic decisions doesn't make one a good judge of character. I was referring to the "I do not consider Hitler to be as bad as he is depicted. He is showing an ability that is amazing and seems to be gaining his victories without much bloodshed " quote.
That's poor judgement, because Hitler was indeed a lot worse than what most people though in 1940.

Originally Posted by Kode

Either way, he wasn't much of a people person. More of a country person.

I like people persons better...

[Zygomaticus]

Originally Posted by Ninth

So what? Making good strategic decisions doesn't make one a good judge of character. I was referring to the "I do not consider Hitler to be as bad as he is depicted. He is showing an ability that is amazing and seems to be gaining his victories without much bloodshed " quote.
That's poor judgement, because Hitler was indeed a lot worse than what most people though in 1940.

Fine. You yourself admit that 1940 was a little early to see the horror he unleashed. Why is Gandhi not exempt from making a mistake? Oh, because of his stature...

I like people persons better...

He wasn't trying to be liked by you. Members of freed countries like country persons better.

[DomStLeger]

Originally Posted by Tamara

PS Dom, there was a reason I used spoilers ...

Well anyone who read your post would check before they read on. And if they didn't then they're nuts

[Ninja Dodo]

Ninth: Supporting the Palestinians is generally considered left-wing. Obviously I think suicide bombings are wrong, but the Palestinians have every right to live comfortably in their homeland. You can get into a whole theological debate about whether the Israelis should be there in the first place but I'm not going to get into that. Fact is Israel is systematically oppressing the Palestinian people and is occupying what for a large part is their territory. That's just wrong. Sharon really is as evil as Bush. What he lacks in stupidity he makes up for in visciousness.
Ararafat is no saint of course, but all that nonsense about him being responsible for the intifada is just US/Israeli propaganda. He's more of a symbol than an actual political figure these days anyway. He couldn't stop the intifada even if he wanted too - which, for all we know, he might want more than anything. It's like the US' problem on a smaller scale. The Israelis keep badgering the Palestinians... so they get bombs thrown into their faces. If they'd only take a deep breath and think for a moment instead of retaliate, retaliate, retaliate they might finally come a few steps closer to peace.

But who am I kidding, like that's going to happen...

[remixor]

1. Your ideal theoretical candidate. (100%) Click here for info
2. Green Party Candidate (89%) Click here for info
3. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (83%) Click here for info
4. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (82%) Click here for info
5. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat (82%) Click here for info
6. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (78%) Click here for info
7. Socialist Candidate (78%) Click here for info
8. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat (77%) Click here for info
9. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (67%) Click here for info
10. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (64%) Click here for info
11. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat (57%) Click here for info
12. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (55%) Click here for info
13. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (39%) Click here for info
14. Libertarian Candidate (28%) Click here for info
15. Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law (18%) Click here for info
16. Bush, President George W. - Republican (13%) Click here for info
17. Phillips, Howard - Constitution (8%) Click here for info

[Jake]

A somewhat familiar lineup...

2.*Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat **(82%)**
3.*Socialist Candidate **(81%)**
4.ean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat **(75%)**
5.*Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat **(74%)**
6.*Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat **(67%)**
7.*Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat **(66%)*
8.*Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat **(65%)**
9.*Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat **(41%)**
10.*LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat **(39%)*
11.*Libertarian Candidate **(19%)**
12.*Bush, President George W. - Republican **(6%)*
13.*Phillips, Howard - Constitution **(3%)*

Meh. I get the feeling I lied accidentally on a couple questions. At least the script didnt scare me by putting Bush up as #4 or something.