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Old 01-19-2004, 03:32 PM   #21
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2. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (81%) Click here for info
3. Green Party Candidate (80%) Click here for info
4. Socialist Candidate (80%) Click here for info
5. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat (75%) Click here for info
6. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (71%) Click here for info
7. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (70%) Click here for info
8. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (66%) Click here for info
9. Moseley-Braun, Former Senator Carol, IL - Democrat (66%) Click here for info
10. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (61%) Click here for info
11. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat (60%) Click here for info
12. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (51%) Click here for info
13. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (48%) Click here for info
14. Libertarian Candidate (29%) Click here for info
15. Bush, President George W. - Republican (14%) Click here for info
16. Hagelin, Dr. John - Natural Law (14%) Click here for info
17. Phillips, Howard - Constitution (7%) Click here for info


Curiously enough, Clark is my favourite, he's so dreamy! Uh... I mean, even though he wanted to start the third world war by attacking Russians in Kosovo in '99, and though he bombed my country's infrastructure into rubble, he is efficient at what he does and flexible. If what he is doing is not working, he will stop doing it... I am only affraid that he will increase the size of America's already fucking immense military.

What scares me even more is that Lyndon LaRouche is a Democrat. I thought he was a Nazi or something like that... which should tell you a lot about Bush who is hanging two places under him...

Also, I had to disagree with American Civil Liberties Union because they are generally full of shit... Today they will fight for Nazi's right to hold a parade and tomorrow they will support Sharon in Israel... some would argue that that is the same thing, in both cases EVIL.
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Old 01-19-2004, 05:05 PM   #22
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No surprises here... Not that i know any of these guys, really, apart from number 13. I guess it's time for a bit of research on the incoming american elections.


2. Socialist Candidate (92%) Click here for info
3. Clark, Retired General Wesley K., AR - Democrat (81%) Click here for info
4. Sharpton, Reverend Al - Democrat (76%) Click here for info
5. Dean, Gov. Howard, VT - Democrat (74%) Click here for info
6. Kucinich, Rep. Dennis, OH - Democrat (73%) Click here for info
7. Edwards, Senator John, NC - Democrat (64%) Click here for info
8. Kerry, Senator John, MA - Democrat (60%) Click here for info
9. Gephardt, Rep. Dick, MO - Democrat (58%) Click here for info
10. LaRouche, Lyndon H. Jr. - Democrat (52%) Click here for info
11. Lieberman, Senator Joe, CT - Democrat (38%) Click here for info
12. Libertarian Candidate (24%) Click here for info
13. Bush, President George W. - Republican (11%) Click here for info
14. Phillips, Howard - Constitution (7%) Click here for info
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I don't really know much about the candidates, but Bush is the worst obviously and second worst to me is Lieberman (for the same reason as Marek said).

btw I'm curious Marek, what about Howard Dean scares you? I don't know that much about the guy but he seemed okay from what I've heard. Maybe I've missed something?
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Nothing specific. I was just talking about his general charisma and made-for-TV-ness. He somehow reminds me of Edgar, the alien in the mansuit from Men in Black.
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Just in case anyones wondering whether this makes everyone on this board left wing or a socialist, heres another interesting site: The Political Compass

According to this site almost all the Democrats running are actually centre-right in their politics:

It's just that George W is even further right than the rest.

You can also find out where you are on the same political compass if it interests you: http://www.digitalronin.f2s.com/poli...aire.pl?page=1

Myself, I was just right-of-centre economically, and on the line between Liberalism and Authoritarianism. This makes me closer to John Kerry, who today won the Iowa Caucaus.
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Myself, I was just right-of-centre economically, and on the line between Liberalism and Authoritarianism. This makes me closer to John Kerry, who today won the Iowa Caucaus.
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Old 01-20-2004, 10:10 AM   #27
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Bush didn't even get 25% of the population to approve of him since Gore actually beat him on votes.
I didn't follow the scandals during your last election. How did he win if Gore beat him on votes?
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It's possible for one runner to win more states than another, even though in absolute numbers he's got less votes on the federal level.
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Because we are not a pure democracy, but also a republic. Each of the fifty states is represented by 2 senators in one house of our legislature and by a number of representatives (based on that state's population) in the other house.

In presidential elections, each state has a number of "electors" equal to the number of representatives and senators it has in the federal legislature. They make up the Electoral College. (This is a now obsolete system in our Constitution, originally established because 18th Century technology would have required months to collect and tabulate votes from all over the country and because 80% of the population was illiterate and thought too "uneducated" to be trusted with a direct vote.) These electors are appointed by the state (local) officials of the two major political parties. Although not legally bound to do so, these electors cast ALL of their votes for the candidate who wins the popular vote in their state. (If they failed to do so, they wouldn't get appointed as an elector next time around.)

Thus, the President is elected by a majority vote of the Electoral College. It is possible to win the popular vote aand still lose to an opponent who has won the vote in enough heavily populated states to have a majority of electoral votes. The 2000 election was the second time in US history that this has happened.

This is why the vote count in Florida and all the problems with it was so important. Florida is a heavily populated state, with 25 electoral votes. Bush ended up winning the Florida popular vote by some 200 votes in the count that was finally accepted. So he got all 25 of those electoral votes, which gave him the Presidency.

Does that make it any clearer?
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Yeah, what BacardiJim said
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LOL

You slipped in your short explanation while I was typing out a lesson plan for a US Civics class.
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Yes it does. Thanx BJ, you explained it perfectly.

Maybe you'd care to explain what exactly is this pre-election that took place in Iowa as well?

In Estonia a pre-election means that people who can't go to vote on the official election day can do so eariler (during a week or so). Was that the same? Or was that THE election of Iowa?
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The "primary" elections (which include the Iowa Caucus) are sort of like a miniature version of the presidential election, but for each of ther two major parties. In the summer, the Democrats and the Republicans will each nominate their candidate for the presidential election. It is already a foregone conclusoion that George W. will be the Republican candidate, so nobody is running against him in the Republican primaries. However, in those states holding Democratic primaries (not all states have primaries or caucuses) one candidate will "win" the popular vote of the registered and voting Democrats in that state. This summer, at the Democratic National Convention, those states will cast all of their votes (similar to Electoral College votes) for the winner of the primary in their state. So, for example, all of Iowa's votes (however many it has) will be cast for Kerry.

This process is much vaguer than the Electoral College vote because 1) not all states have primaries, thus allowing the party convention electors of those states to work out "deals" to vote any way they want, and 2) some states actually require their convention votes to be split up between different candidates in proportion to how each of them did in that state's primary. Unless there is a candidate with a clear majority of primary wins going into the National Convention, there is a lot of wheeling and dealing that goes on between the Party honchos of different states in order to select the Presidential candidate and his running mate.
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By the way, my compass score was:

Economic Left/Right: -4.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46


This puts me actually a little left of either Sharpton or Kucinich and more Libertarian than either.
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Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.08

And I though I was holding back on some answers...
Oh well, I guess I would be hunted down as a communist in the US. No, wait, that was years ago...
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Now, you are WAY too anti-authoritarian to be a Communist. More likely you'd be hunted down as an Anarchist.
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Now, you are WAY too anti-authoritarian to be a Communist. More likely you'd be hunted down as an Anarchist.
Oh, that's cool then...
Seriously, it's a strange world where being against guns, death penalty, etc... (what the poll was about) makes you an anarchist . I didn't even said I agreed with the (complicated word ahead, I need a moment to concentrate...) depenalisation of cannabis. Not that I care, really, but I though it would make me seem a little bit more moderate. :eek:

Now I wonder, if I'm an anarchist, what are most of my friends? Chaotists?
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Wasn't Howerd Dean against the war in Iraq and for supporting the environment? .... sounds pretty left-wing to me.


I was just reading some of Bush' state of the union and I can't even begin to describe how deeply disgusting it is. If I wasn't in such a generally good mood today I'd feel physically ill.


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We can go forward with confidence and resolve - or we can turn back to the dangerous illusion that terrorists are not plotting and outlaw regimes are no threat to us. We can press on with economic growth, and reforms in education and Medicare - or we can turn back to old policies and old divisions.

(...)

Because of American leadership and resolve, the world is changing for the better.

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For diplomacy to be effective, words must be credible - and no one can now doubt the word of America.



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America is committed to keeping the world's most dangerous weapons out of the hands of the most dangerous regimes.
If ever there was irony...


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As long as the Middle East remains a place of tyranny, and despair, and anger, it will continue to produce men and movements that threaten the safety of America and our friends.
As long as Washington remains a place of arrogance, aggression and stupidity it will continue to produce men of movements that threaten the safety of themselves and the rest of the world.


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To cut through the barriers of hateful propaganda, the Voice of America and other broadcast services are expanding their programming in Arabic and Persian - and soon, a new television service will begin providing reliable news and information across the region.
Bwahahaha! ... oh, was that serious? ... hateful propaganda... voice of america... *snigggers*


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That statute protects marriage under federal law as the union of a man and a woman, and declares that one state may not redefine marriage for other states. Activist judges, however, have begun redefining marriage by court order, without regard for the will of the people and their elected representatives. On an issue of such great consequence, the people's voice must be heard. If judges insist on forcing their arbitrary will upon the people, the only alternative left to the people would be the constitutional process. Our nation must defend the sanctity of marriage.
Well, I'm sure a number of you will love that.


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... and drugs are bad, m'kay?

Americans are asking: wtf is wrong with us for putting this guy in office in the first place?!
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Also... fun fact: both Che Guevara and Abu Amar are already taken as NY times usernames. I went for guevara_amar. Hm, I wonder if they have people registered with names like bin laden, saddam, or oswald or something. The FBI would have a field day with that, no doubt.

Abu Amar is Arafat, by the way...


Can you tell I'm left-wing?

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I'm as left as Stalin and more anarchy-prone than Gandhi: that is 8 to the left and 7 towards freedom!
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