05-22-2006, 09:16 PM | #41 | |
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Secondly, if your health is fine, and then starts failing immediatly after you start taking an experimental drug, if you are stupid enough to keep taking it i beleive it is partly your own fault. As i stated before, there is nothing forcing you to take it. the fact is there have been many unsuccessful drug trials, some with tragic results. there have also been many successful trails which have resulted in life saving cures. Trying to make the people who are researching these cures look evil because of one tragic result is just plain stupid. yes it is tragic, but its not as if they knew the drug was going to have that effect, they were hoping for the exact opposite, if it the particapant CHOOSES to continue the trail, then the scientists can hardly be held responsible for their choice. |
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05-22-2006, 09:24 PM | #42 | |
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there were plenty of options available to her, some of which include: 1.) get another HIV test 2.) do not participate in an experimental drug trial 3.) terminate the pregnancy 4.) stop taking experimental drugs when they start making you sick This story is sad, but it is clearly only being portayed from the familys point of view, which in no doubt biased (and understandably so) |
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05-22-2006, 10:23 PM | #43 | |
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there were plenty of options available to her, some of which include: 1.) get another HIV test - it may not have occurred to her if she was not medically savvy - not everyone is, you know 2.) do not participate in an experimental drug trial it may have been presented to her that this may be her only way to save herself and her child 3.) terminate the pregnancy this was her child, and a wanted pregnancy 4.) stop taking experimental drugs when they start making you sick and how do you determine if it is the pregnancy, the drugs or the AIDS that's making you sick? - she did report that to them, though
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05-23-2006, 12:57 PM | #45 | |
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05-23-2006, 01:05 PM | #46 | |
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2.) yoiu say it "MAY" have been presented to her like this... speculation, and besides, you still have a choice even if it was presented to you this way, experimental drug trials are not something to enter into lightly 3.) fair enough, i was just saying that is an option, all be it an unwanted one because of emotion. (logically is a different story) 4.) Well if it is as the story claims, she was a pillar of health until the second she started taking the drugs... fairly easy conclusion to make |
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What do you know about clinical trials? They have to be approved by a committee of people (that includes scientists and non scientists). Unfortunately they have never been perfect and probalby still aren't. First of all, a patient has to agree to be in one and they get a consent form that is supposed to fully inform them of everything that will or may happen. But unfortunately, not all consent forms are perfectly drafted and sometimes clinical trial doctors may gloss over the unpleasentness of the clinical trial. Also, it depends on what phase the drug is in. Is it a Phase I, II or III clincal trial. I'm sure people don't enter lightly but they still don't always think about the possible bad effects (it's called human nature). As well, it shouldn't have been her decision to get a second AIDS test. That should have been a knee jerk reaction by any of her doctors who saw her first positive test. Not her fault.
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05-23-2006, 01:21 PM | #48 | |
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1.) Ok, so now because she didnt get another HIV test, its someone elses fault other than hers for "not being medically savvy"...hmmm If the lab test says it's AIDS and the doc says so, she may be too timid to ask or the doc could have said it wasn't necessary, or was told that her insurance wouldn't pay for a second test. 2.) you say it "MAY" have been presented to her like this... speculation, and besides, you still have a choice even if it was presented to you this way, experimental drug trials are not something to enter into lightly I'm sure she didn't enter into it lightly - she saw it as hope for her and her child - she obviously didn't give informed consent to this knowing that death might ensue. 3.) fair enough, i was just saying that is an option, all be it an unwanted one because of emotion. (logically is a different story) 4.) Well if it is as the story claims, she was a pillar of health until the second she started taking the drugs... fairly easy conclusion to make I'm sure she didn't die the day after receiving the drugs - there is a progression there, as well as with her pregnancy, and with AIDS - perhaps even over several months. Let me say this - don't become a doctor - you don't have the skills, people or logical. Lynsie
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05-23-2006, 01:22 PM | #49 | |
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ok so these are the incidents you are saying MAY have happened, which amount to it not being her fault. 1.) not being sure she has the disease, but still not getting a second opinion 2.) volunteeraly entering a drug trial 3.) not reading the fine print and understanding the risks 4.) deciding to continue a drug trial, when it is clearly having ill effects Those were her choices to make, and she chose badly, but her making poor descisions does not automatically make the people trying to help her responsible... |
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05-23-2006, 01:34 PM | #50 | |
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now lets step back before you insulted me, 1.) pure speculation again 2.) Anyone entering a drug trial is informed of the risks, and should know there is the possibility of death. 4.) Well then if thats how it happened, small wonder it wasnt picked up. The story makes it sound like the effects were much more sudden and clearly related to the medication. |
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