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Oh, I know that... but there is an unfortunate outspoken vein which is being blown up as being the only voice right now. Question is, is this the media's fault, or is it the fact that the moderates aren't making a big enough noise themselves? Why are the Muslim protesters voices louder than say, the Christian or Sikh equivalent?
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Quick moving thread. Although I certainly don't think you can compare the outcry re Dogma to what's happening here on the world stage.
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I've tried to approach this issue by looking at what I would do in response to people creating similar images attacking Christianity (as I'll happily admit to being the church-going sort). And I seriously can't get worked up to the extent that people seem to have done over these images.
I'm certainly not saying that they're tasteful, and I'm certainly not saying that I specifically support the idea of creating them, but I will happily advocate free speech. And just as I don't personally get insulted by watching The Life of Brian or Jerry Springer: The Opera, so too I wish that people would realise that this is all just a joke - albeit a tasteless one - and move on. After all, atheists tell me regularly that any form of religion is stupid, but that doesn't mean that I want to attack every atheist I ever meet... So, to summarise: These images - tasteless The burning-flags, gun-toting reation in Muslim communities - equally hard to justify. |
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The reaction to this issue is one of the extremest I've ever seen over such a simple thing as a cartoon. I get very uncomfortable when I read that people want to blow up Denmark, and decapitate the cartoonists. Isn't this behavior more disgraceful towards the Islam than the cartoon itself?
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Tbh I am not overly that angry about the cartoon. I only thought it was distasteful and offensive, that's all. I'm only questioning the reason it came about in the first place, that's all. I just read the news today and read up about the riots in Indonesia, Turkey and Pakistan caused by the drawing.
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The link between a bomb and the Prophet in one of the cartoons is obviously made because of the terrorists murdering people in name of Islam. This small group of extremists have succeeded in portraying the Islamic belief as a very violent one. Why haven't I seen massive demonstrations against that? It's the reason why these cartoons exist in the first place!
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I realise I might sound a bit harsh and anti-Islam, but please believe me I'm not. A good Moroccan friend of mine could vouch for that. I'm just very disappointed about what's happening at the moment. Disappointed, frustrated, and scared.
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http://boortz.com/nuze/200602/02032006.html Many sides to a story. Mike |
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As AJ said, you can't manage to avoid offending everyone... the pertinent question is how many people you want to avoid offending. Every newspaper or magazine that posts political cartoons - which are intended to make people think about political (and sometimes religious) topics in a critical light, and thus are going to be at least somewhat uncomfortable to read if you like whatever they're criticizing - draws its "offensive" line somewhere. If you draw the line in such a way to try to avoid offending anyone you lose the ability to make any real commentary. So you're going to end up offending *somebody* to some degree if you want to be able to make a point. Now granted, I have no idea how they treat this sort of commentary in other countries, but that's at least an attempt to explain why newspapers might post cartoons that could potentially be construed as offensive. Did the Danish newspaper draw its "offensive" line in the wrong place? Possibly, I haven't seen the cartoons in question yet. (Time to go Wikinews-diving!) So you write letters to the editor, or boycott the newspaper, or something peaceful of that ilk, telling the newspaper how you think they majorly screwed up this time. If people are in fact really getting violent over this, and/or criticizing anyone other than the newspaper and the cartoonist, well, those people really, really need to get a grip (on something other than a weapon, that is). Peace & Luv (!), Liz
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